DOA5U The Official Tier List with Discussion Thread

[Matt Ponton]

from those i'd say Eliot,Kokoro, and Brad are his easiest matchups

Eliots damage output plummets against super heavies where he can't take advantage of his instant 3p refloats on them at all other than from his throw launcher while Leon can destroy him off any of his launches with him being super light weight. Leon also has faster mids and can beat him out up close where only eliots highs outpoke him which are easily crushed by 33p

Kokoro is in a similar position as eliot in the match up but with faster mids, but due to her short strings and lack of tracking Leon can easily step her offense without much trouble and maximize his damage on her due to being light weight where she can't against him.

Brad is one of the few characters who Leon is faster than so offensively he can out pressure him and his lay-down stance shenanigans easily gets stuffed by low OH's

all 3 of the above have average damage output to begin with but when pitted against a super heavy that average damage becomes mediocre damage vs Leon's highest damage output in the game. none of the above 3 have the zoning tools to keep Leon out which as i mention before is his biggest weakness so they pretty much have to come in close where Leon is at his best and can either match or exceed their close range pressure while dishing vastly higher damage to them in the process

Okay, so which characters do you think he's at disadvantage on?

 

[Malfury]

Whoooooaaaa.... wait i agree with everything on this tier list but 2 things, It's impossible (In my head) for marie rose to be freaking C- O.O and for phase 4 to be B- -.- Plz tell me how that's true

 

[PhoenixVFIRE]

Thanks for the detailed explanation <3

 

[The_King_Edo]

-.- don't get it

 

[Malfury]

-.- don't get it

Did you read this thread from the beginning? Or at least around the time when Marie Rose and Phase-4 came out? There's plenty of tid-bits about them and there's lots of info in the character sub-forums that can tell you why they are where they are (theoretically, of course).

 

[The_King_Edo]

Did you read this thread from the beginning? Or at least around the time when Marie Rose and Phase-4 came out? There's plenty of tid-bits about them and there's lots of info in the character sub-forums that can tell you why they are where they are (theoretically, of course).

Ok

 

[iHajinShinobi]

@Mr. Wah, for Ayane you have a little error in her match ups. Ayane v Helena is actually a 5-5 even, rather than 6-4 in favor of Ayane. I've played a ton of casuals and trained with Requiem (practically a top 3 Helena in the U.S.) for the match up experience.

That is a match up that'll solely come down to who keeps the momentum in their favor because Ayane can fight Helena too well, and Helena can fight Ayane too well.

Also, I've been playing Momiji for about 4-6 months in now at a tournament level. I can help with her match up chart as well if need be.

 

[Matt Ponton]

@DontForkWitMe

What matches do you think he has that are disadvantage for him?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Updated the current tier list based on information provided by @Sly Bass , @Mr.Kwiggle , @XCaLibur BLadeZ , @CrayCraySteady , @RyuJin , and @iHajinShinobi .

The current tiers, with each character's total match-up score are as follows:
S - Christie (+31)
A - Gen Fu (+21), Ayane (+16), Kasumi (+13)
B - Helena (+11), Leifang (+10), Hayate (+9), Pai (+9), Momiji (+6), Lisa (+5), Leon, (+3), Hayabusa (+2), Sarah (+2), Rig (+1), Akira (±0) Jacky (±0)
C - Alpha 152 (-1), Mila (-1), Zack (-2), Marie Rose (-3), Bayman (-4), Hitomi (-5), Jann Lee (-5), Rachel (-5), Tina (-5), Phase 4 (-8), Bass (-11), Ein (-11)
D - Kokoro (-15), Nyotengu (-15), Brad (-17)
E - Eliot (-28)

S -
A -
B -
C -
D -
E -

 

[iHajinShinobi]

Why is Kasumi higher than Helena if Helena's score is +11?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Why is Kasumi higher than Helena if Helena's score is +11?

Thanks, Kasumi is +13.

 

[Allan Paris]

Where do I look for the match ups for Kasumi?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Where do I look for the match ups for Kasumi?

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first post.

 

[DestructionBomb]

What was the match up list with Akira?

 

[Matt Ponton]

What was the match up list with Akira?

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first post.

 

[Allan Paris]

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first post.

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when i click on this thread it comes to the recent page (68th). since it is being updated it would nice for the link to be posted periodically in here, not saying that it is not being done already. I just have not seen it done.

Kasumi has 2 match ups that are 6-4 against her. Gen Fu and Sarah. Since certain players provided that information I would like to hear why those match ups are like that. What are both characters doing in the match ups to put them a whole match over her.

 

[Matt Ponton]

when i click on this thread it comes to the recent page (68th). since it is being updated it would nice for the link to be posted periodically in here, not saying that it is not being done already. I just have not seen it done.

The page "1" button is displayed on every page, and the What's New? page has it so you select the OP's posting date to go to the first post in the thread. Frankly, I shouldn't have to keep re-linking the chart, because it's always been on the first post. If you want to see whatever the current matchups are, it's on the first page.

Kasumi has 2 match ups that are 6-4 against her. Gen Fu and Sarah. Since certain players provided that information I would like to hear why those match ups are like that. What are both characters doing in the match ups to put them a whole match over her.

@Steady G provided the advantage match ups for Sarah.

Gen Fu and Kasumi haven't been discussed so I dunno when that was last set to tell you.

 

[Allan Paris]

Never said anyone in particular had to keep re-linking it. Now that I know it is up to you to do it then never mind. I know you have many things to attend to. It is no problem, I know it is being updated and I have it to where I can get to it when I want. Thanks.

Has he posted in here about the match up or was this done privately? I do not see him posting in here, unless he did and I missed it? If he sent you anything privately can you post it in here if he can not get to it, so it can be talked about? I can go over the match up for Gen Fu and Kasumi, which is 5-5, I have to find my notebook on it.

 

[Matt Ponton]

I mentioned in a previous post that I was privately reaching out to players.

Some players provided detail and others just a list. He provided a list based on his own take in the following categories: Speed, Damage/Counters, Yomi, Guarantees.

 

[Sly Bass]

Why did Akira get set to 3-7 against Jackie? I had it at 5-5 before.