DOA: Flaws and Tournament Viability
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Rikuto
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News flash dude, I can be better than you at a video game without going offline for it.
Actually you can't.
You can claim you are, and you can think you are, but thats about it. You cannot "be" something until you've gone and done it. You have absolutely no way of officially proving it because there is only one acceptable way to prove it, and you have chosen to forego doing that. You can't just skip the basic rules of competition because it suits your ego, and neither can I. Reality does not work that way.
But comn Loopy, you and I both know that every time you post its always to revive this dead online vs offline topic, and you're the only one who ever really cares about it. The only foreseeable reason I can see you doing this is because you want people to accept you for who you are.
And thats fine, cool. We accept you for what you are... a guy who likes to play online and does pretty good at it. There is nothing wrong with that at all. But offline is where the actual competition is with the actual people gathering to compete. You can't skip that step if you want to be seen as better than everyone else.
This isn't an opinion Loopy, it's a fact. Competition does not work that way.
You're only going to be spoken of in a negative manner if you do what Lopedo just did, and that's attempt to get credit you never earned. If you win online tournaments, you'll get the credit that is due for winning online tournaments... which isn't as much as winning offline tournaments because online is heavily flawed.
That doesn't mean you're a scrub... it just means you haven't accomplished as much as someone who has gone offline and participated in larger, more organized, and more serious tournaments with higher quality competition and higher stakes.
lopedo
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No, Ricky, I really can. What you are saying is that nobody will know it because I don't go out and prove it. And in that sense, you are correct.
I don't only post to revive online vs offline and I couldn't care less about acceptance from a group of people I consider to be mentally handicapped (you and others excluded). I'm honestly bored and feel like arguing with a bunch of dingle berries about shit they are too stupid to comprehend.
I don't only post to revive online vs offline and I couldn't care less about acceptance from a group of people I consider to be mentally handicapped (you and others excluded). I'm honestly bored and feel like arguing with a bunch of dingle berries about shit they are too stupid to comprehend.
UnD34D
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This is the best thing I've read in this thread.
Rikuto
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You can't say something and expect anyone to accept it unless you offer proof. If all you do is repeat something over and over again, saying you're the best, and someone else actually IS out there proving they are the best, why would anyone ever want to associate with you? The very idea you represent is disrespectful to everyone else because you aren't even offering the opportunity to prove you wrong, but you are willing to claim you are superior none the less.
And you yourself are shunning others at the same time for discriminating against you... you seriously don't see why people have an issue with that?
That comes across to basically everyone as arrogant. And that's where the concept of "the online scrub" comes from, and why you get so much negativity surrounding yourself when you say these things.
UnD34D
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You seem kind of... Salty.
I do however think its funny I don't think I've ever seen any other community argue about offline vs online. Its just one of those things people understand, if you don't play offline, you're not a contender, because, well, we're never gonna play when it matters.
Rikuto
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All I did was tell him why he can't have what he wants. No salt here, I already got what I want.
Also, is this really a "community" fight over online and offline? Julius is ignored by more than half the website and his only purpose in life appears to be making losing arguments while acting like a dick, while Loopy only pops in once in a blue moon to tell everybody why he doesn't like us without really saying anything new.
The topic isn't even a serious online vs offline debate, it's just a random venue for those two to do what they always do.
Also, is this really a "community" fight over online and offline? Julius is ignored by more than half the website and his only purpose in life appears to be making losing arguments while acting like a dick, while Loopy only pops in once in a blue moon to tell everybody why he doesn't like us without really saying anything new.
The topic isn't even a serious online vs offline debate, it's just a random venue for those two to do what they always do.
Raansu
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You seem kind of... Salty.
I do however think its funny I don't think I've ever seen any other community argue about offline vs online. Its just one of those things people understand, if you don't play offline, you're not a contender, because, well, we're never gonna play when it matters.
It's because of DoA2U.
UnD34D
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Well a lot of the players who've never been offline, still scoff at the idea of traveling to play other people. In the DOA Group on FB I told a player when and where I'd be in the states, he could come play me when I was back for a month, and he called me a tough guy. Also, I know its cus DOA2U. DOA4 exacerbated it though.
Rikuto
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Of course.
Online-only players, and casuals in general, tend to be way more egotistical and hostile than tournament players. Tournament players actually view a game as a sport, with the mutual respect and camaraderie that comes with it. Online players tend to view the game as a means of stroking their ego and acting like a complete jackass. Even if you haven't done anything to them they will paint you as a complete jackass and jump down your throat whenever you say something. And they wonder why we choose to separate ourselves from that class.
Online is the realm of flawed gameplay, chest thumping, shit talking, fixed matches from disconnecting/torrenting, and generally poor behavior. Its only redeeming value is that you have constant practice.
Offline is the realm of ideal gameplay conditions, mutual respect, high level play, high-energy hype and good times afterwards.
When you compare the quality of one scene over the other, you can't help but disregard online play in its entirety as a viable means of competition. I say this, and I know this. And I'm going right back online to enjoy it for what it actually is, knowing I have the best from both worlds available to me.
If everyone else can follow that example, we should be fairly healthy this time around.
Online-only players, and casuals in general, tend to be way more egotistical and hostile than tournament players. Tournament players actually view a game as a sport, with the mutual respect and camaraderie that comes with it. Online players tend to view the game as a means of stroking their ego and acting like a complete jackass. Even if you haven't done anything to them they will paint you as a complete jackass and jump down your throat whenever you say something. And they wonder why we choose to separate ourselves from that class.
Online is the realm of flawed gameplay, chest thumping, shit talking, fixed matches from disconnecting/torrenting, and generally poor behavior. Its only redeeming value is that you have constant practice.
Offline is the realm of ideal gameplay conditions, mutual respect, high level play, high-energy hype and good times afterwards.
When you compare the quality of one scene over the other, you can't help but disregard online play in its entirety as a viable means of competition. I say this, and I know this. And I'm going right back online to enjoy it for what it actually is, knowing I have the best from both worlds available to me.
If everyone else can follow that example, we should be fairly healthy this time around.
Raansu
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As far as this community goes I think most of the "online" crap has been washed out. Really JR and Lopedo are the only people to ever bring up the subject anymore.
lopedo
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No I definetley see that. I'm not saying I'm the best. I'm saying I'm better thank Skill dude over there.
I said in my post I don't care about being the best at DOA. I'm not as far as I'm concerned.
I went to that SC tourny with you, it was fun. I don't think I would enjoy a DOA tourny, though, because of the people, which was my original point.
I said in my post I don't care about being the best at DOA. I'm not as far as I'm concerned.
I went to that SC tourny with you, it was fun. I don't think I would enjoy a DOA tourny, though, because of the people, which was my original point.
UnD34D
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That's bullshit Lopedo! You're the best around and don't let any of these scrubs tell you differently!
UnD34D
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Really? Because even their smallest tournaments seem as big as our largest ones, because our community refuses to travel. If what you say is true maybe Brady really has sold 2 billion MK9 living guides.
Codemaster92163
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I think it's the reverse - well, sometimes. I've see more offline players with act out of hubris than online. Sure, there are numerous trolls and jackasses online, but when pooled together, I'd wager the percentages are less than that of offline players who do the same things.
I just think the division you (other offline players if they agree with that quote) are attempting to create divides the community further. How many serious offline players are there? How many players are here from online? I'm fairly certain that the community isn't large enough to survive everyone being relegated to a "class."
Quite frankly, I could care less if you or another individual thinks negatively about me for my opinion. I am not rude nor hostile towards anyone - I've shared my thoughts on the matter just as most others here have. Besides, this itself is the internet, so no love lost. I won't refrain from it simply because someone may dislike it. It's not how the world should work. But with that, there's no sense in me commenting any further on the argument for/against the offline/online division.
Rikuto
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There is no online/offline division. There never has been and there never will be. In any fighting game community. Anywhere. Ever.
It's best to wash that out of your head now and loose these pre-conceived notions that we dislike you or others like you, because we don't. We couldn't care less, in fact. We're here to compete the only way it is possible to compete.
There is only the competitive community, and the competitive community can only operate in one manner using offline play to decide placement with online play for training/casuals/funtimes. It has to be done this way, there is no debating the subject. Online play is too heavily flawed, and no matter what anyone says that will never change.
Code are you aware that I play offline maybe 1% of the time? And I'm still telling you that it is the only way to decide who is actually better than anyone else. No fighting game community can exist online with any form of legitimacy. it's a different sport and it's a different experience.
Finally, I'll leave you with this.
http://freestepdodge.com/threads/wall-of-shame.527/
These are quotes by online players. Not offline ones. Oh sometimes they will CLAIM they are offline players, but the fact is I know just about everyone and these people do not exist in the realm of offline play. They are online players trying to pose as something they believe is superior.
But you're telling me that you're discriminated against by actual offline players TO THIS EXTENT? By this many people? Are they telling that you're a worthless piece of shit and you need to go hang yourself?
I don't think thats ever been an issue here, so I'm not even sure what your real complaint is. I think it's honestly a myth that has virtually no backing whatsoever, and I think you guys pretty much imagine your own villains out of us. If I'm wrong, please give me examples.
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