Oh snaps, this is a bad matchup for my main, i will...

[Camel with 2 thumbs]

EDIT: just realized i posted this in the wrong spot, sorry
a) deal with it and figure something out

b) pick one of my subs who i'm less trained with but stand a better chance

c) screw matchups, it all comes down to player skill

This is something i've been running into alot as a nyo tengu player, a character who I believe has no good match ups (but is even against characters who are equally lacking in priority, bass, brad wong, etc). 98% of the time ill go with option a and just deal with it. But every once in a while, i'll break down and pick my subs who i'm nowhere near as good with, but stand a fighting chance in that particular match up. Problem is, I sub gen fu, and my gen fu is maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddddddd lame, elbows and throws all day. And while i can usually net the victory with him, a part of me feels like I'd be a better player if I learn my bad match ups, as opposed to switching to a super powerful character who just makes the game unfun for everyone.

So how do you deal with bad match ups FSD community?

 

[Squizzo]

I don't pay much attention to match ups. Skill > match ups any day of the week. If I keep getting beaten I just try to identify what my opponent is doing that's working and what I'm doing that isn't working, and try to take steps to remedy the problem.

 

[Crext]

Hehe, like my issues with Christie.

She is not only OP, but increase in power during lag (as does Gen Fu). If I need to pick some fancy bounties I get her, just to perfect my gold streak opponent in 2 rounds and end it with a close third, which is when they finally start to realize all I do is 6p. Truth be told, the slower characters can be really good if you know the frames of the opponent perfectly. However, it is a double edge sword where you basically got nothing if you do not know the frames of the other character completely. I believe this is the truth for Nyutengu as well... and P+K all day (though I block + throw punish )!

 

[Doa_Eater]

All of my character match ups are disfavorable, luckily as someone famous would say "I have experience".

 

[Crext]

luckily as someone famous would say "I have experience".

Isn't that more like what cougars would say when they try to seduce you?

not that I really mind

 

[system11]

If I think I have no chance with my main, either because the other player is much better than me or because it's a character I can't deal with, I pull out someone I won't feel bad about losing with who has some cheap & easy powerful attacks. Yes it's cowardly but I'm at the point where I'm trying to train myself out of mashing at all and one really bad round sets me back a long way in confidence and causes a monster mash of button inputs.

 

[Koor]

I just deal with it and try to figure something out. I'm used to being in insanely bad matchups from other fighting games. But in this game theres quite alot of options when dealing with a tough character/player (holds, slow escaping etc etc) For characters you struggle with most, take them into the lab. Dissect the crap out of their tools. Figure out what makes them tick. Learn their frames, their attack options (what can they do from afar or at close range that would give you problems) on and on.

Then comes dissecting the player of said character. Picking up on their habits. Learning what they tend to do in a given situation. Looking at what theyre adjusting to that youre doing as the match goes on, yada yada. Just steps you gotta take in order to improve. I still have a loooooong way to go myself. The Mila struggle is real

 

[KING JAIMY]

I usually pick option a. Let me illustrate my choice with an example:

I play Rig so I know I'm in a disfavor when I'm playing against Bayman (4-6 in disfavor of Rig). I know that I have to respect Bayman's OH's, Expert Holds and Parries, which work very well against a strike-oriented character like Rig. However, I try to play differently with him when fighting Bayman - perhaps more defensively or opting for more throws. Adopting another playstyle may help to resolve the matchup disfavor to a certain extent. I mean, everyone has access to throws, holds and strikes. Against a defensive character you should play with tick throws and non-predictable setups/strings, against a strike-heavy character you should use the guard button and holds more often and against a throw-based character you should go with strikes. Try exploiting your opponent's general weaknesses, instead of focusing on your own weaknesses.

There is also a core of truth in option c. Match-ups are generally only a reliable indicator of the distribution of wins if both players are on the same skill level. This is rarely the case, which is why you should look at your opponent's general weaknesses rather than the disadvantages each character has in a certain match-up. Besides, in the end the mind game is a huge factor in deciding the outcome of a match (thanks to the Triangle System).

 

[Grimace]

you forgot option D) throw controller at the TV and go to bed

 

[Camel with 2 thumbs]

Thanks for the responses folks, nice to get a little insight on how other people handle that situation

just for the record, i made this thread after getting the worst beat down I've ever gotten from a Christie player, i think his name was aliorumni...something or other. I was using nyo, and the dude beat me 6 rounds in a row, 4 of those rounds being perfects. it was one of those matches where the only thoughts going through my head were "dude, i was blocking how'd he hit me mid/high?" and "dude, why aren't my counters comming out?". After that beatdown i was contemplating switching to gen fu since playing a defensive nyo REALLY didn't do me any favors, and nyo isn't really the type of character you can go nutz with when speedy characters are right in your face. But honestly i was so disheartened that i just left the lobby, and i've been holding that L since. But had i not be so disheartened and played that match switching from a defensive nyo to a super offensive gen fu, would the outcome of been different? do i just need to work on my blocking? was it just the lag? I couldn't tell you, but I'd like to believe that match was just not in my favor, and sticking with my gunz only got me 0-2'ed.

 

[Crext]

Thanks for the responses folks, nice to get a little insight on how other people handle that situation

just for the record, i made this thread after getting the worst beat down I've ever gotten from a Christie player. I was using nyo, and the dude beat me 6 rounds in a row, 4 of those rounds being perfects. it was one of those matches where the only thoughts going through my head were "dude, i was blocking how'd he hit me mid/high?" and "dude, why aren't my counters comming out?". After that beatdown i was contemplating switching to gen fu since playing a defensive nyo REALLY didn't do me any favors, and nyo isn't really the type of character you can go nutz with when speedy characters are right in your face. But honestly i was so disheartened that i just left the lobby, and i've been holding that L since. But had i not be so disheartened and played that match switching from a defensive nyo to a super offensive gen fu, would the outcome of been different? do i just need to work on my blocking? was it just the lag? I couldn't tell you, but I'd like to believe that match was just not in my favor, and sticking with my gunz only got me 0-2'ed.

I can say right off the bat that you MUST learn the frame data for Christie.

She is such a newbie and lag friendly character, and crazy strong, that you'll face a lot of hers online. However, once you know everything the setup becomes MUCH easier. I actually enjoy facing off vs Christie, and can't remember losing to her in a while. 4P and punch parry on Hitomi is certain death, but for other characters you can usually hold her a lot regardless. Holding mid punches and highs are actually easy once you start figuring out her pattern, and once you force the opponent to stop using those skills you'll have a much easier time as she becomes far less effective in both closing in and stun setups.

Once you've memorized all the frames the slower characters can actually be the go-to guys, as holds, etc. do more damage. Of course, if you face a really good Christie you'd still probably have a hard time, as the tools are there, but this is true for all characters as the game is really balanced overall.

 

[Awesmic]

Thanks for the responses folks, nice to get a little insight on how other people handle that situation

just for the record, i made this thread after getting the worst beat down I've ever gotten from a Christie player, i think his name was aliorumni...something or other. I was using nyo, and the dude beat me 6 rounds in a row, 4 of those rounds being perfects. it was one of those matches where the only thoughts going through my head were "dude, i was blocking how'd he hit me mid/high?" and "dude, why aren't my counters comming out?". After that beatdown i was contemplating switching to gen fu since playing a defensive nyo REALLY didn't do me any favors, and nyo isn't really the type of character you can go nutz with when speedy characters are right in your face. But honestly i was so disheartened that i just left the lobby, and i've been holding that L since. But had i not be so disheartened and played that match switching from a defensive nyo to a super offensive gen fu, would the outcome of been different? do i just need to work on my blocking? was it just the lag? I couldn't tell you, but I'd like to believe that match was just not in my favor, and sticking with my gunz only got me 0-2'ed.

Here's some info on Christie's safe/unsafe moves, as well as some of her best options.

http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/christie-as-of-doa5lr-version-1-01.5267/

BTW, forget what @Crext said about Christie players. There's a lot of us who genuinely like the character, and we are not newbies who like to abuse lag.

 

[Crext]

BTW, forget what @Crext said about Christie players. There's a lot of us who genuinely like the character, and we are not newbies who like to abuse lag.

BTW, forget what @Awesmic said about prejudging Christie players. There is a lot of us who genuinely state objective facts about a character, and doesn't use those mechanics as argumentation to classify the group of people that play her.

 

[Denis Peixoto]

Hello guys, sorry to evade the issue, today arrived my DOA5LR (Ps4), but I can not save the game, someone had the same problem? Every time unless something appears "save failed"!

 

[Crext]

Hello guys, sorry to evade the issue, today arrived my DOA5LR (Ps4), but I can not save the game, someone had the same problem? Every time unless something appears "save failed"!

Haven't heard of that problem before. What region are you in?

Edit: A easy way to fix it is of course to formate the PS4 (if you haven't got anything important on it/can upload save files to online storage).

 

[UncleKitchener]

BTW, forget what @Awesmic said about prejudging Christie players. There is a lot of us who genuinely state objective facts about a character, and doesn't use those mechanics as argumentation to classify the group of people that play her.

Suuuuuure suuuuure it's all hunky dory roses and rainbows

*awaits angry tirades*

 

[UncleKitchener]

I'm surprised this thread got views and replies on the general section but not in the technical one

I'd just suggest snooping on the other character's tools and strats. Also study unsafe moves and punish. People pretend they know and when they actually play, there's no punishment to be seen.

Take punishment seriously if you actually want to be good at the game and beat bad MUs.

 

[Denis Peixoto]

Haven't heard of that problem before. What region are you in?

Edit: A easy way to fix it is of course to formate the PS4 (if you haven't got anything important on it/can upload save files to online storage).

Thanks for the feedback! My PS4 is American, just that I have not updated my DOA5LR by problems on the internet!

 

[Crext]

Thanks for the feedback! My PS4 is American, just that I have not updated my DOA5LR by problems on the internet!

Ok, but if I understand you correctly, isn't the solution then simply to update it?

 

[Denis Peixoto]

Ok, but if I understand you correctly, isn't the solution then simply to update it?

Managed to solve, deleted the Save the DOA5LR Core Fighters, and solved the problem, but thank you for your attention!