Force Techs ruin the game !!

[Sachertorte]

I swear, these force techs ruin the game, no matter what you say, I've went and thought about this a hundred times, I've been thinking about a way to see them coming somehow, how I can prevent them or answer after them, I tried a bunch of force techs for several characters see how they work, and there is no solution to it, this shit is beyond broken.
That fuckery gets me crazy, and here is how it all started: I figured out that most of the people that rank past A+ in this game, aren't really good as in better than the average decent players, they just figured out ways to get either guaranteed, vortex/reset combos or abuse force techs whenever they can with their characters, I played a lot of them ,and it's always the same : 100% meta involving guaranteed setups, no skill involved, they repeat the same pattern over and over again, it's actually very easy to read them.
You will ask: If I can read them, then why don't I just hold or counter?

I've tried, and it works for sometimes, but we're not speaking about holding a specific move or trying to counter it like I'm a 100% sure it will be this move, we're talking about 50/50 setups, ways to reset some incredibely damaging combos.
After I got crazy mad at this shit with Lei-fang blocking you in wall, where you have to guess if she is either going for a throw, offensive hold, or another launcher, I tried to hit the lab and try her see how this shit works exactly.
It's more than broken, I'm dead serious about this, I don't even know how they could accept this glitch and let it be an applicable mechanic.
My guess is they were still worried people would keep whining after all their struggles with vanilla DOA5, so they just left it out there for all the players who think it's good to do vortex and think they are good.



A message to all of you there who just keep on spamming these mix-ups into a force tech: Stop, please stop, you're not good at this game, you're just a cheap faggot who found out some kind of exploitable meta and keep on playing the game in a way it wasn't meant to.
This isn't the RPS system, you people ruin this game and the fun we want to have playing it, if you don't like being like everyone else and playing by the rules then kindly fuck uoff.

 

[KasumiLover]

.....So I'm just going to assume that you basically think that players with an A+ or higher grade who are playing the right way are just "faggots" in your eyes just because they're using set ups that you fail to intercept and counter? Sounds delightful. And i assure you that force techs are not a glitch. If you don't want to be kicked around, just get up...problem solved. Honestly, your whole rant is contradictory, you're only embarrassing yourself like the last time you made that ignorant "Hitomi is too weak" thread.

 

[Sachertorte]

I'm not the wimp named kasumi lover nd wearing an anime girl as avatar, a hentai cover on top of that, come on and you say I embarass myself?
So how about you answer at what I'm pointing out here instead of saying I embarass myself.

And force techs are glitches, it's literally reseting the animation so that the game considers it as a tech roll when it's not, and not all characters can do it on top of that.
Get some testicle fortitude, and come talk to me when you're done fapping to your ill porn.

And hitomi is too weak, I reiterate, besides I assume you main Kasumi, so you have no say here, the scrubbiest character in the game.

 

[Hazard]

And force techs are glitches, it's literally reseting the animation so that the game considers it as a tech roll when it's not, and not all characters can do it on top of that.

Hate to break it to you, but force techs are not glitches. You can actually check whether or not a move is a force tech under the 2nd window of move details.

Spoiler: Example

I assume by signing up on FSD you hope to improve your gameplay, but the first step of improvement is NOT to complain about things you believe are "weak" or "broken".

 

[Brute]

1) Force techs aren't glitches, as has been explained.

2) The actual situation that's getting you is how many options Lei has after using a force tech, not the force tech itself.

3) Your grievance with "50/50 set ups" is hilarious, as the alternative would be that an aggressor have less than 50% chance to succeed, which would result in no one with a basic understanding of math wanting to go on the offensive ever. You're actually dealing with a chance of success far below 50% when you're caught in Lei's vortex. Debating particulars of that vortex is one thing, but predicating your argument on the fact that a 50/50 scenario itself is a bad thing misses the point entirely.

4) I wouldn't trust your opinion on who is "good at the game" or not considering points 1, 2 & 3.

5) No one is going to stop using force techs because you threw a childish tantrum and called them "faggots" and "wimps," behavior that should be embarrassing if you posses even a modicum of self-respect.

6) You are either an incredibly dim-witted individual or a troll, and I must say that I don't have an excessive amount of tolerance for either. Clean up your act or find another place to shed your trite tears.

 

[Giannola]

Not only do I disagree with you completely about force-tech's (hitomi has them too btw so don't single lei out), more importantly, I find your tone and the language you used quite offensive, and I doubt I'm the only one dissapointed to see those kind of things pop up here.

 

[UncleKitchener]

Now, you can argue that that ground throws can and can't be categorized as FTs, but characters that rely on these tools for oki are in some way taking advantage of this feature.

 

[Kuga]

Oh man if you're bitchin' about force techs in DoA5LR im afraid of what would you say about them in DoA4.

 

[Gurimmjaw]

There is absolutely no problem with force techs, and is definitely part of the game and no glitch. If you don't want to get force teched up simply tech roll and they will be at disadvantage when attempting a move to force tech you. No problem here just tech roll to avoid getting force teched. Not hard to do.

 

[Giannola]

If you don't want to get force teched up simply tech roll and they will be at disadvantage when attempting a move to force tech you.

I agree that FTS are part of the game, but I'll nitpick and say that there are situations that either you get forced up or if you tech the ft yourself the attacker keeps advantage.

Clarification: there are times when you tech roll to avoid a force up and the attacker even though they whiff their ft move, still has advantage.

 

[Juihau]

My guess is they were still worried people would keep whining after all their struggles with vanilla DOA5, so they just left it out there for all the players who think it's good to do vortex and think they are good.

As an aside, weren't force techs overall nerfed after vanilla? Like, significantly nerfed? Not removed completely, obviously, but still not nearly as effective.

 

[Gurimmjaw]

I agree that FTS are part of the game, but I'll nitpick and say that there are situations that either you get forced up or if you tech the ft yourself the attacker keeps advantage.

Are you saying that the person who force techs keeps the advantage? Well yeah of course man, wouldn't make sense for the person force teching to be negative.

 

[WAZAAAAA]

I'm not the wimp named kasumi lover nd wearing an anime girl as avatar, a hentai cover on top of that, come on and you say I embarass myself?
[...]
Get some testicle fortitude, and come talk to me when you're done fapping to your ill porn.

lmao that was pretty funny

No but seriously, you may not like the mechanic but it's still not a glitch. The tutorial explains it, proof on lesson 19.4. Also like pictured previously, the Move Details has it too.

I strongly recommend you to complete it 100% if you haven't, it's actually very well done.

 

[Lulu]

There is absolutely no problem with force techs, and is definitely part of the game and no glitch. If you don't want to get force teched up simply tech roll and they will be at disadvantage when attempting a move to force tech you. No problem here just tech roll to avoid getting force teched. Not hard to do.

I came here to say this and you beat me to it.

However isn't there atleast one character that keeps their advantage even if the force tech misses ?

Couple that with Unholdables and I do consider this to be a bit of a problem. I'd assume Its matchup specific but still.... it bugs me alil.


Besides I think theres a far larger problem than Force Techs..... I'l annoy everyone with that in a different thread some other time.

I agree that FTS are part of the game, but I'll nitpick and say that there are situations that either you get forced up or if you tech the ft yourself the attacker keeps advantage.

Clarification: there are times when you tech roll to avoid a force up and the attacker even though they whiff their ft move, still has advantage.

Looks like you beat me to it aswel....

 

[Force_of_Nature]

I agree that FTS are part of the game, but I'll nitpick and say that there are situations that either you get forced up or if you tech the ft yourself the attacker keeps advantage.

Clarification: there are times when you tech roll to avoid a force up and the attacker even though they whiff their ft move, still has advantage.

Isn't that the point of the option select situation that the attacker set up? Either you get teched up if you stay on the ground or I push my advantage if you tech roll up.

Solution? Don't get knocked down in the first place.

If you do get knocked down, back tech rolls are your friend.

 

[SilverForte]

I think hes saying that he doesnt like the scenarios where the attacker has advantage either way. Im not really a big fan of those blender situations, but eh, they are pretty much in most fighters and you get used to it.

 

[Hazard]

Isn't that the point of the option select situation that the attacker set up? Either you get teched up if you stay on the ground or I push my advantage if you tech roll up.

Solution? Don't get knocked down in the first place.

If you do get knocked down, back tech rolls are your friend.

Also helps not to pick the same option. Don't constantly tech up or don't constantly stay on the ground. Your opponent will eventually get cocky and try to plan too far ahead, wrecking himself.

 

[DestructionBomb]

 

[iHajinShinobi]

As an aside, weren't force techs overall nerfed after vanilla? Like, significantly nerfed? Not removed completely, obviously, but still not nearly as effective.

No, the ability to perform untechable get ups were removed (or at the very least, extremely limited). Force tech options have always been the same in each iteration of DOA5.

 

[Dark-truth]

I swear, these force techs ruin the game, no matter what you say, I've went and thought about this a hundred times, I've been thinking about a way to see them coming somehow, how I can prevent them or answer after them, I tried a bunch of force techs for several characters see how they work, and there is no solution to it, this shit is beyond broken.
That fuckery gets me crazy, and here is how it all started: I figured out that most of the people that rank past A+ in this game, aren't really good as in better than the average decent players, they just figured out ways to get either guaranteed, vortex/reset combos or abuse force techs whenever they can with their characters, I played a lot of them ,and it's always the same : 100% meta involving guaranteed setups, no skill involved, they repeat the same pattern over and over again, it's actually very easy to read them.
You will ask: If I can read them, then why don't I just hold or counter?

I've tried, and it works for sometimes, but we're not speaking about holding a specific move or trying to counter it like I'm a 100% sure it will be this move, we're talking about 50/50 setups, ways to reset some incredibely damaging combos.
After I got crazy mad at this shit with Lei-fang blocking you in wall, where you have to guess if she is either going for a throw, offensive hold, or another launcher, I tried to hit the lab and try her see how this shit works exactly.
It's more than broken, I'm dead serious about this, I don't even know how they could accept this glitch and let it be an applicable mechanic.
My guess is they were still worried people would keep whining after all their struggles with vanilla DOA5, so they just left it out there for all the players who think it's good to do vortex and think they are good.



A message to all of you there who just keep on spamming these mix-ups into a force tech: Stop, please stop, you're not good at this game, you're just a cheap faggot who found out some kind of exploitable meta and keep on playing the game in a way it wasn't meant to.
This isn't the RPS system, you people ruin this game and the fun we want to have playing it, if you don't like being like everyone else and playing by the rules then kindly fuck uoff.

You're obviously some online warrior who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game, just because you lose to players who use force techs a lot(which is actually good because you're supposed to take your opponents health bar down) if you don't like the way they play than don't. And I don't see what rank has to do with this honestly. There are plenty of low ranks who use force techs lol.

I'm not the wimp named kasumi lover nd wearing an anime girl as avatar, a hentai cover on top of that, come on and you say I embarass myself?
So how about you answer at what I'm pointing out here instead of saying I embarass myself.

And force techs are glitches, it's literally reseting the animation so that the game considers it as a tech roll when it's not, and not all characters can do it on top of that.
Get some testicle fortitude, and come talk to me when you're done fapping to your ill porn.

And hitomi is too weak, I reiterate, besides I assume you main Kasumi, so you have no say here, the scrubbiest character in the game.

ok and what's wrong with having anime hentai girls having as avatar ? And how do you actually "wear" an avatar ? Just wondering.

Anyways grow up because you're being extremely childish, and there's nothing wrong with Kasumi lol, she's not even the "scrubbiest" character in the game.

But seriously though, you're 25 and act like a teenager who goes through puberty with his edgy behaviour, you're 7 years older and even I am more mature than you, I guess age doesn't define maturity huh ?