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SilverKhaos

SilverKhaos

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Murakame said:
Dude. Anything that has ODDS is random. Anything that does not have ODDS is GUARANTEED. Let me counter you point by point.

A. A move is still going to be either a high, mid punch, mid kick, or low at the end of the day. There's no such thing as doing a move that's unlikely to be countered in the stun game. In neutral or when pressure is being applied however I agree you can catch people of guard with things like punch grab or free cancel mixups.

B. Assuming that they will hold then yeah you can grab them. But what if they decide to stagger escape instead? even worse what if they decide to attack out of stun for whatever reason? Is that not being random? Any point where you have to make a guess it is because things are random and cannot be controlled. While its true you can make a educated guess (AKA reading your opponent or "Yomi" whatever you guys want to call it) its still a guess. Because at the end of the day you are saying I THINK my opponent will do X so I'm going to respond with Y not I KNOW my opponent will respond with X so I will respond with Y. There's no way for you to possibly know when I could have just as easily selected Z instead of X. As long as both players have multiple choices to select from without anything to limit those choices, everything is random.

C. I think my explanation for B covers this.
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You just proved my point. People are making conscious decisions and trying to outmaneuver each other. Ergo, not random. Its just really high speed mindgames.

Let me point out how i'd deal with the situation, gonna do this shorthand because gonna go by how i'd be thinking it.

okay so lets say...i stunned them. "I have a preference for Mila's mount tackle, so either a) they have been falling for it, expecting me to use different moves rather than focus on it, so I could continue to do this, OR, more relevantly, b) they have caught on to my tactics and so are starting to duckblock it so instead I have a few options, a high attack, which would be a poor choice due to the rule of three, and I had been doing mids before, and I never do lows in these situations, and the opponent has likely caught on to this fact, and I prefer not to break playstyle, which leaves me with either a midkick or my overhead punch. Odds of them countering the punch are higher, due to it being a default counter which is the first thing to be mashed in a panic, combined with the fact that i'd already done the midkick twice in a row, and doing it a third time rarely happens, so instead, i'll DO it a third time, but as a different midkick, though in case they catch on to my train of thought once I do that, i'll do a backkick, the sparta kick, leading into the Mount tackle, and then do the regular arm break version so they won't be able to break out of the beatdown, overlapping the train of thought and coming full circle for an extreme mindfuck."

Point being, its not just "I'll do a mid kick and hope it works" like you are implying.

That's how fights work. You plan several steps ahead, and if you miscalculate, you screw up and pay for it.

I'm not even anywhere near pro. That's just how it is, and while i'm better than most I fight at this kind of thing, there are still a ton of people that beat me at it. That's just how fights WORK.

THAT is what I mean. It is in no way random, unless you are just mashing buttons. Its a matter of trying to outmaneuver the opponent. You being outmaneuvered doesn't suddenly make it "random".

Random is completely uncontrolled with no POSSIBLE way to affect, predict, or control. You do all three with stun situations. Its just that BOTH players are doing all three. Doesn't make it random, it just means you are trying to outplay the opponent, which is where the whole "fighting" part comes in when playing "Fighting Games".
 
SilverKhaos

SilverKhaos

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Murakame said:
ran·dom

/ˈrandəm/

Adjective
  1. Made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision: "a random sample of 100 households".
  2. Governed by or involving equal chances for each item.
Way to neglect definition 2 guys.
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Point, that he didn't put in the second one the first time, but it doesn't change anything, since the chances arent equal, due to a LARGE amount of variables in any given situation.

So i guess i'll concede that it is THEORETICALLY random, though not ACTUALLY/REALISTICALLY random.

On Paper, In Practice.
 
SilverKhaos

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Tokkosho said:
lmao someone should read more carefully and not be so defensive... When i say dont remember a time when he "didn't" i mean i dont recall you ever saying "you know you guys can play your way and ill play my way and the world will continue to function" and when you say something such as or way being "cheap" while yours is being "skillfull" is the equivalent of being a hipster, no1 will take you seriously, and no1 thinks your right.
read the previous post w/o your selective reading and maybe you'll understand im not "attacking" you, im stating an opinion.
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To be fair, the majority of posts are offensive, so its natural for me to be defensive.

Also, slightly hypocritical, since what you are saying about me also applies to the opposing side.
 
SilverKhaos

SilverKhaos

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Awesmic said:
After reading all this, I've come to a conclusion that Degalon's ideal, "non-boring" playstyle is to hold everything.

Metaphorically speaking, that's like ordering a pizza with the works and holding everything. You're depriving yourself of everything that makes the works the works, effectively missing out on opportunities to sink your teeth into that which makes the pizza delicious.

Back to the topic at hand, I hear MaxDrago was being quite the moron on stream last night. Can anyone verify this and what actually happened? I missed out, lol.
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No, my ideal is that "nothing is guaranteed, you need to work for every hit you land". That's all. I just play in a style where there's always a risk, for the sake of it being more challenging and intense.

You (speaking generally) are depriving yourself of getting any better if the game just hands you damage on a silver platter, a la guaranteed damage. That is my belief.

Good example: A player who consistently wins with the worst character in a game, is inarguably much better than a person who consistently wins with the "best" character in the game. The person using the worst isn't a bad player just because they didn't pick the best character.

The WORST players are the ones who try to glorify the easiest way to win. If you want to play that way, fine, but don't try to act like it makes you better than someone who doesn't, when the exact opposite is true, by very definition.

I believe in a very "sink or swim" approach, and I'll admit, I still sink a lot, but I'm swimming better each time, which is the point of the approach. Like, I'm much much better now than the few matches I played Raansu, what...months ago? I may not even be able to beat him NOW, but honestly, i don't even care.


Eh, i'll just chalk it up to this.

1) You believe that guaranteed damage is what makes fights good.
2) I believe that outmaneuvering the opponents for damage is what makes fights good.
 
HiguraShiki

HiguraShiki

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SilverKhaos said:
No, my ideal is that "nothing is guaranteed, you need to work for every hit you land". That's all. I just play in a style where there's always a risk, for the sake of it being more challenging and intense.

You (speaking generally) are depriving yourself of getting any better if the game just hands you damage on a silver platter, a la guaranteed damage. That is my belief.

Good example: A player who consistently wins with the worst character in a game, is inarguably much better than a person who consistently wins with the "best" character in the game. The person using the worst isn't a bad player just because they didn't pick the best character.

The WORST players are the ones who try to glorify the easiest way to win. If you want to play that way, fine, but don't try to act like it makes you better than someone who doesn't, when the exact opposite is true, by very definition.

I believe in a very "sink or swim" approach, and I'll admit, I still sink a lot, but I'm swimming better each time, which is the point of the approach. Like, I'm much much better now than the few matches I played Raansu, what...months ago? I may not even be able to beat him NOW, but honestly, i don't even care.


Eh, i'll just chalk it up to this.

1) You believe that guaranteed damage is what makes fights good.
2) I believe that outmaneuvering the opponents for damage is what makes fights good.
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Srsly Degalon, how can a noob possibly know more about a game than people who have known and understood the game for a long time. Please explain to me this.
Nothing is handed to you on a silver platter. That is an excuse that only noobs make when playing fighting games.

Did you honestly just say that winning with the worst character makes you a better player? Oh my god dude, just don't talk anymore. Right there you showed you should just quit fighting games all together.

Glorify an easy win? Winning with just holds is an easy win because it requires the LEAST amount of work from the player.

And dude, you suck at your own style of fighting, don't even try to sound like you are moderately good. You are not good. And by the way, your fighting style is even more boring than the stuff you complain that are boring. You are trying to get people to just fight by poking. So really just don't talk, no one believes you anyways.

Oh yea and please stop multi-posting. If it really means so much to you, edit your posts.
 
HiguraShiki

HiguraShiki

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Raansu said:
He's too busy ignoring me and playing ME3 for that to happen.
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Don't forget to add that he is playing it the fair, non-cheap, and honorable way.
So he is not using any automatic guns. Only handguns since it shows more skill. Also he doesn't aim, since aiming is for people who want to be handed a kill on a silver platter.
 
iHajinShinobi

iHajinShinobi

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SilverKhaos doesn't know how to play Dead or Alive.

/end

Anyone got stories of their online ventures they wish to share? I've got a bag of Munchies, and some time to kill.
 
Raansu

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iHajinShinobi said:
SilverKhaos doesn't know how to play Dead or Alive.

/end

Anyone got stories of their online ventures they wish to share? I've got a bag of Munchies, and some time to kill.
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Other than the usual randoms online who win a fight against a character you're messing around with and then proceed to taunt you because you're an S+ only for them to get steam rolled the next time you fight them and then they leave the lobby? Nah not really lol.
 
iHajinShinobi

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Raansu said:
Other than the usual randoms online who win a fight against a character you're messing around with and then proceed to taunt you because you're an S+ only for them to get steam rolled the next time you fight them and then they leave the lobby? Nah not really lol.
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Good times...
 
HiguraShiki

HiguraShiki

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Raansu said:
Other than the usual randoms online who win a fight against a character you're messing around with and then proceed to taunt you because you're an S+ only for them to get steam rolled the next time you fight them and then they leave the lobby? Nah not really lol.
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Oh yea, and then after you beat them, they start claiming how you got lucky and won in a bullshit way. I know those guys!
 
iHajinShinobi

iHajinShinobi

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I'll probably start posting screenshots of DN retards in here, lol. Also, Shiki I hurd that youse is tr0llin' a tr0ll.
 
iHajinShinobi

iHajinShinobi

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Here's a few links to screenshots of mine from DuelistGroundz I took on DuelingNetwork.com, if anyone wants to read them. Idiocy is so common on DN, it's sad..

http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=133991&view=findpost&p=3347845

http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=133991&view=findpost&p=3348567

http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=133991&view=findpost&p=3327156

http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=133991&view=findpost&p=3338280

If you can't figure out what happened in link #4, I'll explain that one.
 
Tokkosho

Tokkosho

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i tried to register on that dueling site but the link for confirmation wont come even though i gave it the right email @.@
 
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