Petition to bring back LEON as DLC!

[SilverKhaos]

From what I've read, it seems like the beach stage was already a work-in-progress but simply couldn't get finished timely and that's why there are some leftovers as a result. With Leon and Ein, it looks like they made the decision early on to cut those characters so no work was actually put into them and it isn't a task of simply just finishing some stuff. I just say move on and put the effort into DOA6 at this point.

Yeah, but none of us wanna wait another 7ish years to play as Leon.

 

[DR2K]

From what I've read, it seems like the beach stage was already a work-in-progress but simply couldn't get finished timely and that's why there are some leftovers as a result. With Leon and Ein, it looks like they made the decision early on to cut those characters so no work was actually put into them and it isn't a task of simply just finishing some stuff. I just say move on and put the effort into DOA6 at this point.

Yeah it was, but Team Ninja has been pretty coy about Leon, and they have a few more months of DOA5 work thanks to the Vita port.

 

[Project Bokuho]

At this is point, do we even need to go on their Twitter wall and post "Bring back Leon!! #DOA5" anymore? It seems like they don't even care for the requests from their fans.

 

[synce]

I don't think it's happening... Everything from the characters to the 500 DLC packs to the Vita port were planned well before the game released and no amount of fan reaction will change TN's work plans and schedule.

That's probably why there's no compatibility packs. They told MS we're going to have several gigabytes of DLC, would it be OK to let everyone DL it for free? And MS was like lol no. That's supposedly why VF5FS has no compatibility packs either, Sega tried but they were denied.

It's going to be interesting how they handle the beach stage. Will it be a free DLC, will it be a patch, will players without it still play those with it... It'd be crazy to fragment the community over a single stage

 

[PJudge]

I would imagine they'd do a "Vita Bonus Pack" or something like that, for a price. In their eyes, it's more content and in that respect we should have to pay for it because it's more content on top of our own version of the game.

I dunno, I'm happy to keep hoping they bring Leon back. If anything, they've seen the reaction that dropping a character has and will be kept in mind next time. Hopefully.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

this is TN we're talking about, they did the same crap with Bayman in vanilla DOA2 only to bring him back for Hardcore/Ultimate and became the series official canon sambo character in DOA4 while shitting on Leon and relegating him to an unlockable non-cannon character before completely axing him in DOA5. their reason for bringing back Bayman claiming fan response was the factor and yet three sequels later they pull the same dumb shit again with Leon accept now in the age of twitter,facebook, and other social media fans opinions and voices are far more numerous than back in the DOA2 days. plus with the age of DLC TN has no excuse to not include Leon if they claim "fan response" was the reason for Baymans return

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Can't they just give him penjak silat in order to give him an excuse not to cut him again. That "sambo clone" excuse is crappy, nonsense.

 

[PJudge]

Can't they just give him penjak silat in order to give him an excuse not to cut him again. That "sambo clone" excuse is crappy, nonsense.

I may have missed something, but did he ever have that? If it was Dimensions, then I missed it.

I don't see why 2 people having the same style is such an issue. The ninjas all have the same style, Eliot and Gen Fu have the same style, Tina and Bass have the same style. It shouldn't be a problem, and it's stupid that it is. Leon and Bayman were different, most of their moves weren't shared. Yes, they shared some punches and kicks, but so do other characters.

Anyway, a lot of what I want to say has been said before.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

I don't see why 2 people having the same style is such an issue

Not for me of course, but for people who see it as a reason to cut him/not to have his comeback.
They just focus on the fact Bayman and Leon has the same fighting style (that name "sambo") but don't focus on the fight that there are two "individualities".
That's why changing the name who shut their mouth, hihihi.

 

[PJudge]

That's why changing the name who shut their mouth, hihihi.

Ah ok, I see what you mean. And the whole comment wasn't directed at you personally, I kinda lost myself in a mini rant!

Although, that said, it shouldn't be necessary to change his fighting style to justify bringing him back. Ignorance isn't an excuse. If people don't see the difference between Bayman and Leon, it's their fault, but for the company that actually made these characters to drop them because 'they're too similar' is ignorance on a whole different scale. I understand there were time constraints, but that's where Leon, Ein, Tengu should have been worked on before adding more VF characters. Original characters should come before guest characters in my eyes.

 

[DR2K]

Can't wait for them to add Leon so no one can use him again.

 

[SilverKhaos]

Can't wait for them to add Leon so no one can use him again.

Beyond all the people who use and main him, sure.

He's easily one of the least used, but far from being NOT used.

 

[Zeo]

Beyond all the people who use and main him, sure.

He's easily one of the least used, but far from being NOT used.

And that's one of the reasons why it boggles my mind when people say Leon *deserves* to be added over Ein. Leon was one of the least used characters and almost never (if at all) seen in competitive play. Whereas Ein was a fairly popular character and actually used in tourneys of all levels. The other reason people use is that he's an "actual" character and the only relevance that has is to DOA's storylihahahahaha. Oh yeah and there's that whole double standard that he's original but Ein is too similar to Hitomi/Hayate. (Which means basically he "deserves" to be in more because you want him in more.) Oh bias. Thou art plentiful.

And before you tell me to leave, yes, I am a Leon supporter and I'd like to see them all return to 5 as much as anyone else. Cutting characters in a game that already doesn't have that large a roster is ridiculous. But don't play favorites and pass it off as fact, an opinion is an opinion. Sorry for the rant, been boiling over in my head recently.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

Don't know why you keep pulling out the popularity card. if popularity mattered in making up a roster then ein would've made it in the game over less used characters like zack, brad, eliot, bayman, bass etc which obviously wasn't the case. as far as competitive play only offbeat won any majors/placed high with him and as far as i remember was the only notable ein player at tournaments while you act as if their is a whole army of high level ein players flooding tournaments which also wasn't the case.

we can go back in forth and argue over it all we want but in the end leon and ein users(along with tengu users)are in the same boat of being fucked over. our anger should be at TN not each other

 

[DR2K]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be in because he isn't popular. Just hilarious that so many people want him back in, but have completely ignored the character forever.

Reminds me of how hard fans were petitioning for Phoenix Wright in MVC3 only to never use him.

 

[Takeda-sama]

I don't see the point in bringing him back when we still have Bayman, tbh. We already have a paramilitary fighter. There is no need for a second in the same game. Besides, they both do Sambo, a martial art of Russian origin, Bayman being from Russia. There is also no logical reason for TN to bring Leon back and not Ein. I don't really think there is any real reason to bring Leon back over Ein, or at all. I think Mila was a good addition to the game with a new style and personality. There isn't a real reason to bring back a character with a style that's still in the game who has a personality we've all seen before anyway.

 

[Zeo]

Don't know why you keep pulling out the popularity card. if popularity mattered in making up a roster then ein would've made it in the game over less used characters like zack, brad, eliot, bayman, bass etc which obviously wasn't the case. as far as competitive play only offbeat won any majors/placed high with him and as far as i remember was the only notable ein player at tournaments while you act as if their is a whole army of high level ein players flooding tournaments which also wasn't the case.

we can go back in forth and argue over it all we want but in the end leon and ein users(along with tengu users)are in the same boat of being fucked over. our anger should be at TN not each other

I'm not playing any card, in fact I'm not arguing at all. The point of this post in fact was to not argue and push for all characters. Something Leon supporters don't do, I clearly pointed out Leon supporters go "Leon should (should) come back because he was a canon character with his own original style." "We don't really need Ein to come back, rather give more of his moves to Hitomi/Hayate" or "We don't need Ein to come back, we have Hitomi/Hayate" which is a double standard which was the point of this whole post. Not to turn into what I'm talking about and saying Ein should come back more than Leon.

My problem was Leon supports not having their own opinion on the character returning but rather saying he should or deserves to come back more than the other characters as if that's fact, and then using story reasons of all things to justify it. Ein was more popular than all of the characters you named and didn't have too many top level players besides offbeat but you actually saw him at tourneys. Leon, you did not.

I wasn't using popularity and tourney usage as my reason why he should be in the game more, but stating that it's a more legit reason that he "deserves" to be in rather than his place in the storyline and being an actual "character" which Leon supporters have been using as their reasoning why he deserves a spot more than Ein. But he and Ein didn't make the cut because there wasn't time, and they felt to cut the characters that were most similar to other characters. Which was more or less reasonable although focus should have went to them before guest characters.

My point was that we should come together and push for all the characters (feel free to push more for the char you want of course) instead of playing favorites, but in that process I guess I looked like a biased Ein supporter talking about biased Leon supporters. My bad if that's the case, but my point stands.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be in because he isn't popular. Just hilarious that so many people want him back in, but have completely ignored the character forever.

Reminds me of how hard fans were petitioning for Phoenix Wright in MVC3 only to never use him.

That annoys me to this day. At least people would have actually used Megaman. To be fair though, he DID suck. And then they patched out the only thing that made him useful. I wouldn't use him either.

 

[PJudge]

I don't see the point in bringing him back when we still have Bayman, tbh. We already have a paramilitary fighter. There is no need for a second in the same game. Besides, they both do Sambo, a martial art of Russian origin, Bayman being from Russia. There is also no logical reason for TN to bring Leon back and not Ein. I don't really think there is any real reason to bring Leon back over Ein, or at all. I think Mila was a good addition to the game with a new style and personality. There isn't a real reason to bring back a character with a style that's still in the game who has a personality we've all seen before anyway.

By that logic, there's no reason for Gen Fu and Eliot to exist in the same game. Or multiple ninjas. or Bass and Tina. Having the same style doesn't mean that we need just one character to cover it. And Mila is a great addition, yes, but neither her or Rig should be replacements to Leon/Ein/Tengu.

 

[prototypetom]

never mind Leon - we need a female military fighter. Leona anyone?

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

I don't see the point in bringing him back when we still have Bayman, tbh. We already have a paramilitary fighter. There is no need for a second in the same game. Besides, they both do Sambo, a martial art of Russian origin, Bayman being from Russia. There is also no logical reason for TN to bring Leon back and not Ein. I don't really think there is any real reason to bring Leon back over Ein, or at all. I think Mila was a good addition to the game with a new style and personality. There isn't a real reason to bring back a character with a style that's still in the game who has a personality we've all seen before anyway.

his style was really starting to become his own (minus the the Spartan Nicole ripping off his move set) if he showed up in this he would have probably cut off all ties play wise to Bayman.