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Tokkosho

Tokkosho

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well since she has now apparently lost both ground bounces (i was told by DR2K that her 46H+K also doesn't bounce anymore, so if this is false PLEASE correct me) what would you guys like to gain some slight relaunch property? i personally would like 2P and WR P+K to get some (so you can go 2P>WRP+K) since the P+K leaves her in BT and she can get more damage from juggles in BT. though since TN really seems to want her to be a major poking/chipping character (imo) i doubt they'll buff her juggle possibilities. but still, other ideas/opinions are appreciated.
 
Vincent Rayne

Vincent Rayne

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Tokkosho said:
well since she has now apparently lost both ground bounces (i was told by DR2K that her 46H+K also doesn't bounce anymore, so if this is false PLEASE correct me) what would you guys like to gain some slight relaunch property? i personally would like 2P and WR P+K to get some (so you can go 2P>WRP+K) since the P+K leaves her in BT and she can get more damage from juggles in BT. though since TN really seems to want her to be a major poking/chipping character (imo) i doubt they'll buff her juggle possibilities. but still, other ideas/opinions are appreciated.
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46H+K does bounce. but i think it doesn't bounce as high as it used to.
 
Vincent Rayne

Vincent Rayne

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Tokkosho said:
? how the hell... why reduce the height... thats just stupid. but atleast its still there.
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i found it hilarious that they nerfed Pai when she was already low tier. take away her bounces and it because even harder to get off guaranteed damage and you are stuck playing the poking game hoping not to get countered. at least for me. i try taking as much advice from the best Pai players as i can though. now i need new stuff.
 
Tokkosho

Tokkosho

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Vincent Rayne said:
i found it hilarious that they nerfed Pai when she was already low tier. take away her bounces and it because even harder to get off guaranteed damage and you are stuck playing the poking game hoping not to get countered. at least for me. i try taking as much advice from the best Pai players as i can though. now i need new stuff.
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well, as she was she definitely wasn't low tier, i dont think she is now, but i have yet to be able practice with her in any way shape or form so i can't say.
 
Vincent Rayne

Vincent Rayne

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really? i tried to do many things and not once on any counter have i gotten something off everytime. even her 214T. the only safe thing i know of is 64T but i think that's because no one has tried countering it yet.
 
Tokkosho

Tokkosho

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yep. after her rising 4T you can get a guaranteed 66H+K which you can in turn get a 4K, after 46T you can get a 6P, 64T a P (not too amazing but i actually prefer it because of the long stun and you can do PPK for a deep stun which i hardly ever get countered doing) after her high punch hold you get a 66H+K, mid and low kick holds you get 33P+K
 
Vincent Rayne

Vincent Rayne

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Tokkosho said:
yep. after her rising 4T you can get a guaranteed 66H+K which you can in turn get a 4K, after 46T you can get a 6P, 64T a P (not too amazing but i actually prefer it because of the long stun and you can do PPK for a deep stun which i hardly ever get countered doing) after her high punch hold you get a 66H+K, mid and low kick holds you get 33P+K
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i've gotten my 66H+K counter-dodged before after doing the 214T. so i really don't think it's guaranteed. i've taken this stuff to the lab and what i can do to the training dummy isn't the same as an actual player all the time.
 
Tokkosho

Tokkosho

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its definitely guaranteed. either your not doing it fast enuff or lag is fucking you over, because ive been countered aswell because lag delayed my input so long.
 
Allan Paris

Allan Paris

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Tokkosho said:
well since she has now apparently lost both ground bounces (i was told by DR2K that her 46H+K also doesn't bounce anymore, so if this is false PLEASE correct me) what would you guys like to gain some slight relaunch property? i personally would like 2P and WR P+K to get some (so you can go 2P>WRP+K) since the P+K leaves her in BT and she can get more damage from juggles in BT. though since TN really seems to want her to be a major poking/chipping character (imo) i doubt they'll buff her juggle possibilities. but still, other ideas/opinions are appreciated.
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46H+K still bounces the same height as it always bounced. By the decrease in the health she can still put out a fair amount of damage with this substitute bouncing move. For you to do good damage 46H+K needs to be implanted in whatever juggle you do. The draw back is that her juggles no longer look pretty anymore and nor does her wall game.

I also believe I have posted this before but I will do it again since I see some don't know. Pai gets a guaranteed launcher from all of holds except 2 (mid punch and low punch holds). TN did something to the system that did screw over her low grab and that's they have made it so that characters cannot CB from sit-downs anymore as long as the opponent is SE'ing. So now she has to launch from the throw.

Pai is still fine and a solid character mainly because they dropped the health 30 points. If the health had remained at 300 she'd be screwed royally. When you are able to play the patch be prepared to play a different character and don't focus on what she had, which is just 1 property of a move. Outside of that nothing has changed for the worse for her.

The only issue that I have with her is still present even after the patch and that's her ability to juggle heavy weights.
 
synce

synce

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TN did something to the system that did screw over her low grab and that's they have made it so that characters cannot CB from sit-downs anymore as long as the opponent is SE'ing.
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Say what?? Even with moves like Lisa's 9K and Mila's charged 7K? You've gotta be shitting me.

One of my new strats was going for CB mixup after 214T, and a guaranteed CB with 4P+K,P,H,P. If this nerf is true I'm done with Pai lol
 
Susanoo-

Susanoo-

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Thank god I dropped her after the prior patch. Honestly though, she deserves to be given better by TN. If they do actually fix their mistakes I might pick her back up, though I'll always be a Sarah player.​
 
synce

synce

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I feel you, I also migrated toward Sarah though I still use Pai. I was unsure who I should learn first, I only went with Pai because I thought Sarah would surely get nerfed. Plot twist...

Also I tested the 33T CB setup and it still works on fastest SE so not sure what that was about, maybe Allan Paris can elaborate
 
Allan Paris

Allan Paris

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synce said:
Also I tested the 33T CB setup and it still works on fastest SE so not sure what that was about, maybe Allan Paris can elaborate
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This could've been online which is why I missed it but it doesn't make since because she is at +50 and the CB didn't work. You also need to test things against a human. The CPU can do stuff that a human can't and vice versa. If it still does work that's great, I hope it still works.
 
EMPEROR_COW

EMPEROR_COW

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yeah .. Pai losing that ground bounce was dumb... it severely hurts her options.
I'm trying to find some alternatives to her strings but honestly nothing as solid, shame really :/

out of all the cast I feel she was hurt the most. I personally didn't see her as low tier at all, I thought she was really good before, almost a hidden top tier that was undiscovered fully. Now, Im not so sure although she does technically have all her setups still .. its just the juggle potential that is diminished. I dunno.

Anyone come up with any decent alternatives?

I used to love 6KP3P+KP, into bouncer combo ... I would particularly appreciate if anyone found a follow up to that one. :)
 
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