Supposed to be what?
are supposed to be good all the time.
I only say she is high tier to shut people up most of the time. She is high mid at best. Her +4 guessing game only goes so far, she has no guaranteed set ups, moderate damage, slow pokes, only non grappler safe moves and no safe ways to move between stances. Her PFT is still good despite wake ups kicks being nerfed with them no longer stunning on NH and being able to beat them outright now but her deficits are still massive.
Helena is not top there is just no way that is possible, the top tiers can guarantee half life easily Helena cannot guarantee jack shit, 3P is all she can guarantee and literally nothing else. Pai I am not sure about and I have no real experience with Lisa pre or post patch.
Online is complete garbage even a good connection isn't very reliable. I'd avoid trying to throw punish some of her lows. BKO 6KK and BKO 4PKK are the worst offenders, even I can't throw punish them most of the time. Mila is still the worst offender online though, -9 becomes +9 somehow lol
Helena is actually very simple in DOA5, I don't know where the notion that she is a technical character came from. You said "land stun, bait counter", any character can do that. I agree she is "good", but good isn't top tier.
It isn't easy but I wouldn't call it technical. Helena is tough to win with because none of her tools that she can use to start momentum are particularly good. Slow pokes, lousy range, gimpy crushes. These things make her harder to win with but not really technical.
I agree with this, the game mechanics ensure every character can be decent. Which is almost like a double edged sword.
that's an excellent point....even with Zack...thsoe i17 and i21 lows son.
Whoa, you really think Lisa is top 5?
I think Lisa is a great character, don't get me wrong, but i don't think she changed that significantly to shoot her up all the way to the top. She still doesn't have reliable ways to get guaranteed damage, speed is still her biggest liability, she has hardly any setups, etc.
She got some nice things in 1.03, but her gameplay remains the same imo: start/stop pressure with 1PP/1PK, zone opponents, throw punish with deja vu, etc.
I don't know, i'm just curious, not trying to criticize you or anything.
I agree with this, the game mechanics ensure every character can be decent. Which is almost like a double edged sword.
There's some nasty things you can do with 1.04 Lisa... I'll up videos once 360 patch drops
I'm not a Jann Lee player but when I went over his patch notes the only real nerf I saw was that 1PK doesn't cause a feint stun any more, other than that all he received was a bunch of very minor damage nerfs. His dragon gunner is still brain dead bs, he still does a shit ton of damage and his F+K is probably still the best sit down stun in the game.
