The Official Dead or Alive 5 Tier List with Discussion thread

[Zeo]

As good as SSP, 3K, 7P or P+K, 3K, 7P or 3PP, 3K, 7P?

The instant you were hit from any of the above everything was free from the very first initial hit.

What's bad about this? Why are we taking away guaranteed options when everyone is supposedly pushing for them?

Moreover, the glitch more or less gave everyone setups like this, there was nothing good to gain from nerfing that setup. All it does is turn a potentially viable competitive character back into a casual fighter.

Meanwhile they patch back in Helena's nonsense when it was one of the most complained about things in the entire game. -1 Team ninja, -1.

 

[DR2K]

Helena is still a low damage character with nothing guaranteed. It's total bullshit, but the game needs more of it. Hopeully Mila users get back old Mila, as stupid as she was.

 

[Something-Unique]

Everyone still required some form of a guess at one point or another within their stun. Hayate was the true 1 hit guarantee into cb or guarantee until the most difficult part of the stun which is threshold. I'm all for guaranteed combos like other games but one character receiving it while no one else does is silly.

Even with the SE glitch no one had what Hayate did in 1.03. You can still do the same shit with one guess added on now.

Free damage versus Helena FT mixups does not compare. One has guesses one does not.

Edit: Hayate still has every single thing he had received in the buff department. His Hayabusa Izuna that did pretty much the same damage. He still had his i7 throw. 236K. P+K/SSP, etc.

The only thing different now is u have to guess one more time.

 

[DR2K]

Constant frame advantage and pressure vs guaranteed damage. They both have their utility.

 

[Murakame]

The only thing different now is u have to guess one more time.

Admittedly I'm pissed that he lost 3K but this is true. A sitdown stun is still a sitdown stun so SSP is still valuable. 214P in areas with a ceiling is still in (I hope.). His damage is less free now but I believe he can still fight and I'll work with what he has left. Which is more than enough.

 

[Something-Unique]

Spoken like a true realist. If Hayate players came back down to reality it's easy to realize that all u had to do was guess one more time.

 

[Zeo]

Spoken like a true realist. If Hayate players came back down to reality it's easy to realize that all u had to do was guess one more time.

Rig never had to guess either. 7P > 66K > Launch has been guaranteed since launch but no one complains about that because no one uses Rig.

Hayate is still ok, but this nerf is really gonna hurt him despite what anyone says. Of course I'll live with it because I have to. But hey, one can hope they change their minds before the patch drops on 360, of all the reneging they've been doing and delaying it over and over and over again, we might see a 1.06 before the patch comes to 360 for all we know.

 

[Murakame]

Rig never had to guess either. 7P > 66K > Launch has been guaranteed since launch but no one complains about that because no one uses Rig.

I don't understand why. I mean he has some issues but he is by no means a terrible character that can't be played competitively IMO. Especially with the buffs he just received.

 

[Zeo]

I don't understand why. I mean he has some issues but he is by no means a terrible character that can't be played competitively IMO. Especially with the buffs he just received.

He's seriously slept on and I think he's a potential titan. He suffers from high syndrome though, he's easily crushed. Most of his advantage comes from his highs.

 

[Something-Unique]

lol that is true. I still have yet to thoroughly hit the lab against Rig because no one uses him. Like hold up Rig is in the game and lol patch 1.06 incoming.

I feel u though I was pissed when they removed Mila's P+K properties as it didn't make sense but based on 1.04 so far it seems they reverted back to fixing that stealth nerf to the ground game that messed with characters tools unintentionally.

Going back to the tiers she's ascended right back into top 3 for me. Despite still having some nerfs. But I will prob never discuss her ever again because no one could see it before and I doubt anyone will now. Plus iv'e learned throughout the patches we've received ur better off just keeping your character out the spotlight.

 

[Tokkosho]

It's kinda ridiculous we have to hide tech like its precious food in an apocalypse just do TN doesn't nerf it... The community ain't that lazy or selfish, they just don't want their shit nerfed.

 

[Zeo]

At the end of the day It's best if I just stick to Akira. Hayate is a fun character but he's too inconsistent and unreliable, this patch has proven that I can't put any faith into him.

 

[Nate]

You can be optimistic about Hayate but he took a severe hit. Once again there is little room to explore his CB, as well. The stun from most anything non-mid punch is just too short. He's average tier at best now. Other characters definitely retained abilities that will make them the far better pick for competitive play. We'll see how it all goes tho. Time to learn a secondary if I choose to care about this game. Not QQ over Hayate nerfs, but this roll of the dice and patch mismatch/glitches/etc. crap with Team Ninja is pretty lame. I went and got DOA for PS just so I could play the damn game. Poor Xbox guys.

Who knows what the 1.03A means tho, in TN's mind.

 

[synce]

Did Jann Lee lose his 3K sit down too or did he never get it? What about Zack and his new 4K? I'm too lazy to turn on the PS3.

Looking at 1.03 changelog several characters were supposed to get new sit downs but plans were changed.. I guess because TN discovered broken combos. Hayate's sit down probably wasn't supposed to go through, because I don't know how you can miss such a simple combo in testing...

 

[UncleKitchener]

Bass got his juggle pick-up back. I think that would slightly elevate him in the list.

 

[J.D.E.]

lol that is true. I still have yet to thoroughly hit the lab against Rig because no one uses him. Like hold up Rig is in the game and lol patch 1.06 incoming.

I feel u though I was pissed when they removed Mila's P+K properties as it didn't make sense but based on 1.04 so far it seems they reverted back to fixing that stealth nerf to the ground game that messed with characters tools unintentionally.

Going back to the tiers she's ascended right back into top 3 for me. Despite still having some nerfs. But I will prob never discuss her ever again because no one could see it before and I doubt anyone will now. Plus iv'e learned throughout the patches we've received ur better off just keeping your character out the spotlight.

This patch nuked the shit outta my spots I had though. Real talk.

Admittedly I'm pissed that he lost 3K but this is true. A sitdown stun is still a sitdown stun so SSP is still valuable. 214P in areas with a ceiling is still in (I hope.). His damage is less free now but I believe he can still fight and I'll work with what he has left. Which is more than enough.

You'll get yours in the long run. Unlike others who keep sobbing & dweling on that "1" thing. But that was big.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

People still think Hayate sucks? Most of the characters in this game have garbage sit down stuns and couldn't guarantee CB if their lives depended on it. A hand full of characters have strong ways of guaranteeing damage and the rest are stuck playing DOA4.

Stop acting like Hayate is such a victim of shitty balance, he's no worse off than most of the characters in this game.

 

[MajesticBlue]

To me Hayate never seemed as bad as everybody made him sound. I think he is just played best very simple. Taking advantage of the spacing game and his awesome punish throws, relying on good fundamentals. A 14 frame mid kick that is safe and stuns on counter hit is pretty good. Even though his command SS was nerfed it also is good. Playing that basic takes a certain kind of person though. He has just enough to have an answer for almost everything.

 

[Something-Unique]

This patch nuked the shit outta my spots I had though. Real talk.

lol. Dem sneak changes in each patch are a complete mindfuck.

 

[MasterHavik]

People still think Hayate sucks? Most of the characters in this game have garbage sit down stuns and couldn't guarantee CB if their lives depended on it. A hand full of characters have strong ways of guaranteeing damage and the rest are stuck playing DOA4.

Stop acting like Hayate is such a victim of shitty balance, he's no worse off than most of the characters in this game.

Well when you're a ninja and you're SUPPOSED to be people are going to say something. Just think if Kasumi got nerf to hell.

But you have point though....good job TN Zack hates you now.