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deathofaninja
deathofaninja
So since I play Tina what are my best options with beating Marie Rose to the initial punch? I do my best to hold her, but my reads are not great. I look for big damaging throws and they do help me win, but if I start getting tangled into what feels like infinite combos I start buckling up and getting nervous. The speed game is a big problem for me so I struggle with Kasumi and other fast characters.
Onryoki
Onryoki
I still haven’t seen a valid argument from you. Xavier is very strong, definitely. But that doesn’t mean that Hitomi is a good character. She’s not bad but she’s just not as good as she used to be.
Camel with 2 thumbs
Camel with 2 thumbs
short answer: don't be hasty for the first attack, Marie Rose's most threatening options come from getting caught with her punch parry which can lead alot of bad situations and her advanced holds that lead to unbreakable combos, she thrives off impatience and hastiness so the best way to fight her is to not play into her strengths and play defensive, i.e just block
Brute
Brute
You need to train and get better at the game if Marie is giving you trouble. LMFAO
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
@Onryoki I go based off what I see, and I've seen Hitomi beat ass when she is used and she'll probably beat more in the future. I remember people said the same bs about Alpha 152 in DOA5 vanilla and also Eliot.

Strong players make their characters strong with good practice and training. I don't need to make an argument because I've seen this situation 1,000 times over.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
@Brute I would beat your ass right now if you'd like. Just name the time and the platform.
Camel with 2 thumbs
Camel with 2 thumbs
let her make the first move, and if you just block it out, she'll be in crappy position (if she goes for high/mid strikes, she'll be minus, if she goes for throw, she's forced to guess on your wake up, if she goes for lows, she'll be slighly plus, but these are reactable ), once that happens, counter play correctly and she'll be much easier to handle

as for Kasumi, you're on your own, i got nothing :/
Brute
Brute
The time is 1:10 AM and I'm on PC
Onryoki
Onryoki
Anyone can beat ass with a specific character lmao. Player skill also comes into play while using character. That doesn’t mean the toolset of a character is necessarily good. Xavier is a long time Hitomi loyalist. Obviously he’s gonna be good with her, that still doesn’t change the fact that her tools aren’t limited.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
Steam: vgmkyle add me whenever. For PC I will get online later today or Monday. The good rig is at a Unreal Tournament 99 lan party lol, but I will try installing and playing on the spare rig now. I'm confident I've played you on PS4, but I understand why you wouldn't want to play on that system.
Brute
Brute
Typing "vgmkyle" in the friend search yields no results.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
Try deathofaninja used my email. Ah yes. Lahs Veo! I have defeated you on PS, but let's pretend like that system didn't count.
Brute
Brute
That worked.
For the record, I hope you're right, and that you unleash some godly unprecedented Marie tech on my head that I never saw in my hours of labbing.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
I'm not using Marie Rose. I'm using Tina. I wanted to put some hands on ya for telling me to train harder because I struggle with Marie Rose. All you would have to do to see good Marie Rose is watch some of the tournaments in Japan. Liner Back specifically. I'm not disagreeing completely that some of her mechanics are NOT good, but she can combo people to death at least.
Brute
Brute
That just proves you need to train and get better to learn how dumb Marie match-ups are.
I just won and we didn't even fight yet.
Brute
Brute
I literally sat there watching Linerback with a bunch of Marie mains discussing it. We understood what was happening, and we also understood why he switched to Kasumi every time he got into hot water.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
Didn't you say Hayabusa sucked too? Prior to him being labled as an S tier character?
Brute
Brute
I said that his kit is dumb and poorly designed, not that it isn't or can't be viable in a competitive setting. And I stand behind that. His current kit is a YOLOfest designed by schizoids on cocaine. It can work, just like Diego and NiCO's unga bunga shit can. But that doesn't mean I like it.
Brute
Brute
"Prior to him being labled as an S tier character? "
As if that would have any sway over my assessment whatsoever.
deathofaninja
deathofaninja
Well... fair enough. Got my spare wired now. It's fluctuating from 35 minutes to an hour. If you are still awake and up for playing at that time I will shoot you an invite. If not you are now on my Steam friends list and we can fight anytime. :) Nobody else has offered to fight me on PC so this could be the opening to something great.
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