Free Step Dodge

T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
And to top it off, me w/ a -2 on block jab, I try to hit an i9, I get CH. That's understandable. But an i9, w/ a -3 on block jab, I block the jab and I still lose the exchange... What??? How I get punished for blocking your jab. Heck even Mila i10 jab on block: -5. Mai jab on block: NEGATIVE TWO... Like how do I play the game where no matter what, I'm still at disadvantage, especially w/ the mechanics involved...
Force_of_Nature
Force_of_Nature
Rig has an i12 mid kick that launches.

He also gets frame advantage out the ass when going into Bending stance.
T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
i12 gets stuffed when you have to contend w/ a i11 mid and i9 jab. And his frame advantages are mostly highs where he has to get to bending stance. Any i9 already has an advantage w/o stance cause their frames in neutral gives them the advantage already even negative. 8k works well if they're doing 2p's endlessly yeah. But in a neutral situation, that does nothing for me...
T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
Even w/ the bending, If I can get started, much of my + frames is +1 (outside k which is +3 but i13). At best I trade w/ an i9 as my fastest move from bending is i10 and my fastest mid i14 which can get stuffed. These frames are not great for me vs an i9.
T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
Even Honoka got better neutral frames. her 4k 0 on block (+1 at range) and if she does the duck she +3 (+4 at range) making her stance p i11 or i12. Then you give her a i6 6t w/ a i4 neutral throw cause reasons and forget if she got you to the wall w/ that... Not to mention her 1p typically -4 on normal hit, her joint -2 w/ TRACKING so at worst she trading w/ my mid... Like what kind of frames are these...
T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
My problem overall is this: Against an i9 in DOA 6 w/o stagger escape or throwbreaks or good free step, how do you even play solid defense and play the game where my frames don't even work to my advantage against them. Whether it's Rig, Mila, Don't even get me started on Raidou, etc, unless I myself am an i9???
Camel with 2 thumbs
Camel with 2 thumbs
Well, most characters are gonna get blown up by i9/i11/i12 moves anyway, but Rig is already in a better position than most, i10 jab to contend fast mids, i12 kick to contend fast lows, manz got tools

and yeah bending stance is a high but considering in most cases he can opt for safe mid option to condition ppl into blocking, it's not THAT big of a weakness
Camel with 2 thumbs
Camel with 2 thumbs
and that's if ppl are even attempting to duck the high, which in some scenarios you can't thanks to jailing and other weirdness

plus that thing recovers in like 17 frames, gud luck stealing back advantage even if you do crouch it lol
T..J. Bernard
T..J. Bernard
Let me paint this scenario just for example as Rig vs an i9: I fight NiCO for example. She does jab on my block. She -2. I retaliate w/ jab cause I'm not trading her mid w/ mine and I don't wanna commit to a string possibly as I got held out of it and p,p -4 on hit. I make the right read and I'm ZERO on CH. Her i9 hits me on CH. She +1 and her mid beats out my jab, I'm at disadvantage, guess wrong, and die...
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