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There's no invincibility as far as I know outside of the startup of rolls (entirety of backroll) and the startup of wakeup kick. You can beat wakeup kick with a trade. When active frames clash, the higher damage attack wins. If they're the same damage, you both get hit. Some moves win 'cause...

I have a problem with people who choose low tier and use that as an excuse, though. The "My character is garbage" OS is only second in scumminess to "I don't even play this game."

Universal defense mechanics don't make a game more balanced. In fact, I think it makes it more imbalanced. Think of it this way, upsets are more common in shorter sets than longer ones. The more universal defence options, the more likely the better character wins. If every character could...

Hopefully even heavier.

Momentum

I don't know about that. These are an example of what I mean by momentum based. As far as I know, Helena stuff doesn't come close to stuff like that.

Well, that's bad wording on my part. Every fighting game is momentum based. DOA is not nearly as momentum based as some other games, though.

Well, his point was that it wasn't as important as in some other games. There are games were I would give up 90% of my health to start in a certain position. As good as environmental damage is, I'm not giving up more than 40% for a good start in DOA (unless it's Tag or Home). It's not that...

I dunno, I play on a stick and it's always been fine for me. Granted, I played vanilla prepatch for a very short amount of time, but I don't remember having trouble with any inputs.

She didn't need nerfs at all. It's not like Gen Fu can't do the exact same thing but better. If anything nerf her damage slightly and buff the heel to be guaranteed and not possible to back tech.

It would only do that with sloppy execution. The way it is now, 33 motions come out for no reason. Try to block something and then doing 3T as you leave blockstun. You get a 33T even when you only hit 3 once if you input 3 before you leave blockstun. That's beyond dumb. All I'm asking is for...

I wish they would make 33 inputs harder to come out. They've made it so dumb that you don't even have to actually do two 3s anymore. It'll just come out for no reason sometimes, like H~[3]P.

Should be June 22nd?

One of the languages has nyaowsmaichyans. One of them do not.

It's cool, everyone's gonna play her.

I bet she'll be faster than Eliot.

Eliot and Ayane do as well.

Leifang can force tech with 2H+K, but it's not that realistic. I personally just 1P+K against wakeup kicks, but you can always 9KK against the low, but it's weird timing and is more effort than it's worth. 6H+K obviously works too. I'd personally never attempt to crush a mid wake up kick with...

Hahaha, she looks like she's having so much fun. Definitely gonna learn her.