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By the way, how do you guys time your Ps? I get them fine in training mode, but in real games I'm a bit too slow sometimes. I've mapped a button to Taunt and use that as P and it's been working out better.

Do you guys seriously hate playing as so many characters? That's so weird. Also, maybe my character selection is odd. According to the correlation list, I almost always like playing characters that I statistically shouldn't.

Damn, I ignore this thread for one month and there's so much cool tech. Good stuff!

This is amazing.

What is happening.

Extremely short stuns on mids and hella slow non-threshold launchers. You end up playing as a shitty grappler.

It's just the combo training combo.

Just listing launcher, weight class, and stun level should be fine. It's what I did for Leifang juggles and no one complained. :v

Well, the thing is, you have to time Eliot's 46P. For all of P4's teleport cancels on first hit (8K, 3P, 1PP, Ground stance K, etc.), you can mash. For 4K, 7K, Air stance K, etc., you can mash. Not to mention that the timing for the mashables are already hella easy. P+K is the only one that you...

Okay, I changed my mind, P+K's Chifu Cancel (and string variants) has a weird cancel window and I have to focus to get it in a real match. The rest are still brain dead, though. EDIT: Back in training mode and I've noticed I'm waaay more consistent with it if I hold P+K to cancel. Like...

I just got her. Are you guys serious about the teleport timings being hard? It's just Eliot's 46P timing, if not easier. There's at least like a 5f timing window.

You mean like Gen Fu's K after air throw? :v That sure would be dumb.

Today.

I main Eliot, though. =[

Akira - 3 Alpha - 1 Ayane - 2 Bass - 4 Bayman - 2 Brad Wong - 1 Christie - 2 Ein - 4 Eliot - 5 Gen Fu - 5 Hayabusa - 2 Hayate - 3 Helena - 3 Hitomi - 4 Jacky - 3 Jann Lee - 3 Kasumi - 2 Kokoro - 3 Leifang - 4 Leon - 4 Lisa - 2 Marie - 3 Mila - 4 Momiji - 3 Pai - 3 Rachel - 5 Rig - 3 Sarah - 4...

17 damage 6P, though.

Is the patch available for 360 yet? :v I bought the dlc but there's no patch when I last checked,

Does anyone really care about P4? I just want Nyotengu.

P+K: 13F (-8) → 11F (-12) It's 2f faster, though.

Yeah, it's mainly relevant for frame traps. Most moves with hella active frames are slow, linear, running type attacks, so you can usually sidestep, backdash, etc.