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I consider Hayabusa and Eliot as slow grapplers.

It's not that strict.

Well, if that's what you need, my post basically covered all of that. The rest is forcing them to respect your negative frames by crushing them. :v 1P+K maybe -3 now, but that doesn't mean they can push buttons~ Or block a string where you know a high or mid is coming and cruuuush~ Also...

Well, no, that I like his kit is directly related, since his kit is actually really useful in that situation. I like using Sarah, but I'd rather have a good reset throw in that situation than stun launch damage and frames. EDIT: I've stopped watching videos of Japanese Leifang 'cause they think...

Did you know every mid string starter faster than 19 frames for Kokoro is slow escapable to 19f? Going from 3P to 3K is a 1f window for her if the other guy slow escapes. Her launcher, her critical burst, and her bounds are all 19f or slower so they're all slow escapable unless you do them after...

Kokoro and Tina have good stuns on every level? News to me. :v EDIT: Actually, half of those characters don't. :v

You know, I spent literally half an hour with Gen Fu, but I do better with him than characters who I've spent hours per day for months.

Where did I say that? The first time I said he was solid when immediately preceded by "He has to wait his turn, but once he gets it." If I was put in a situation where the other guy started off stunned and Gen Fu was banned, I would choose Eliot every time. Obviously everyone's at an advantage...

I pick Gen Fu. But seriously, just don't take things seriously. If you lose, then just look over the replay and see why you lost so you're better prepared for next time.

I didn't, though. I never said that he's a good choice. I said that he's solid under the condition that the other guy is stunned. If the other guy isn't stunned, he's not terrible, just really really bad.

I didn't say he has a solid way to start offense. I said he's solid once he gets there. I don't know why you're so hung up on this.

He has parries and holds that lead to mixups. It's not like he literally has no way to start his offense. It's just that he has to commit really hard to do it. EDIT: REALLY hard.

I already said that Gen Fu is better than Eliot in every way, though. It's not really fair to say a character is worse than Gen Fu. And that's not an oxymoron 'cause it has conditions. He's solid if and only if you somehow stun someone (or otherwise force them to respect you somehow). EDIT...

I'm hoping for Gen Fu to die and pass on his good moves to Eliot. Will be amazing.

How many characters have a 45 damage reset throw on NH, 75 damage throw on NH, as well as good stuns on all 4 levels? As for it compensating for his shortcomings... Well, I complain about him for a reason. He's bad. I don't think I said that he was good. I said that if you put them in stun...

I think he's decent 'cause he has a niche and he's good at it. He's not a good character in general, but he has something that he's good at. It's just that there's another character who does everything he does, but a lot better. As for holding him... Well, like I said, he has two of the...

He has attacks on 3 other levels that stun fairly, a 120 damage launcher throw, and a 68 damage reset throw. Holding mid isn't gonna save you. :v

I mentioned all of that already. :v His footsies is fine, though. He's got a decent kbd and he's got a lot of strikes that move him forward. What do you do when Eliot stuns you? You lose half your life 'cause that's how he works. :v

I know I've been complaining about Eliot being garbage for the last month or so in locals, but I don't actually think any particular matchup is that bad for him. Like Christie and Gen Fu are obviously dumb, but he does have pretty much every tool outside of an OH. He's basically Gen Fu if he...

Honestly, I think a good amount of hate for Leifang comes from lack of matchup knowledge. When I see someone getting away with using 1P4T and 1P4K as a mixup, I get upset. EDIT: Yo, just throw her. Eliot throws are so good. They're the only thing good about the character. EDIT: But yeah, I...