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However, when she is in her stance though, it's a struggle to deal with. Plus it could be a grind to play Helena for 2-5 games compared to other characters. Lastly with Leon....

Helena's a bit difficult for me to drop to S. However, I thought of two things: Her execution, although isn't hard af, is a bit of a challenge and she pretty react-able offline. Some of her free cancels especially with her back turn really can hurt her and plus take away her stance and it...

I feel she lives and dies off getting counter hit and considering there are characters who do it way better and safer than Honoka, that really can suck for her. Her saving grace right now in why I placed her at B was cause of her 9f and shoulder crush.

Here's my explanation: Looking into Honoka, I see that her execution is way too high for someone who's not very rewarding. Her guard breaks to me are bad. Especially considering one of them's -13 on guard break. Some of her transitions are throw punishable as well (3k4). Her best tools in...

Some thing's I think I'ma change before I leave: 1) Honoka to C 2) Helena to S 3) Leon to B (Even though I just made an argument to why I considered him C)

when I get back, I'll try to update on a monthly basis, similar to Speedkicks as I study both games more.

I agree @VAND1TA I should've made this a thread. But I figured since I'm going to be away from playing DOA/Tekken seriously to learn, I made it here for now. I might make a final update before I leave, as there's a couple things I looked more into. But after that....

Pai, I feel although she's a bit on the execution side, I feel her tools are very rewarding. Guarantees from throws are very helpful. And simple frame traps that can annoy players (4p for example) is another thing that's helpful to her side.

With Ryu, he's another high risk high reward character to me but this time on the counter hit risk and that either helps or hurts him.

I feel some players would try to interrupt that, leaving him on the defensive end. With Ayane/Ryu, both were hard as they're really good where it's possible you can put them higher. However, I feel their execution barrier hurts them more than helps them. Plus with Ryu, his neutral game's...

Valid arguments. I'ma explore Leon, Ayane, & Pai a bit more as I continue. I'ma see if I can make a valid argument for each. I felt with Leon, I feel that his mix-up is simple to a point where its reduced to 33p which that success depends on the opposition. Plus with some of his strings leaving...

@KasumiLover69 Simple: Players have more outfits for characters than ways to win with characters and improve with characters.

I love tekken and will support it. But I will call out BS when I see it. This is for a fact one of them. No if's, and's, or but's about it. It's utter garbage at this point.

All because a game has no tutorial or in-game frame data that at least gives players no excuse at all to remain as stagnant as they are. And this ain't some EVO champion speaking but this is a dude who likes to compete, improve, and playing garbage cause Harada feels adding damn offline bowling...

Why cause this games lack of tutorial reduces players to knowing sample combo 3 and seeing which character's sample combo 3 is better until you play someone who knows how to counter that crap. I shouldn't only have to resort to playing WayGamble or Shadow and such to improve my game. But playing...

Adding characters like Claudio, Kazumi, etc isn't solving the issue. It just mask the issue for a short period of time. Adding fundoshi's isn't adding 100 points to your defense game and unlocking punishment tools. It's a cosmetic that makes your character look whatever way until I see him...

@Mama No one is saying to baby these players. In fact it's because of the babying and stuff that led tekken to where it is now. But what I'm saying is whether you played for a year or 5-6 years and they've been blue or green, if your level of progression has remained stagnant through all the...

Heck how can you play Tekken for a damn year, have 5000 wins or whatever and only know Sample combo 3? At that point it's either two things: You ain't improving or the game ain't teaching you nothing. That's all for now.

Vs only being versatile in the amount of customizations they have. How can you have more outfits than ways to punish and counter and heck even combo is beyond my comprehension.

However, when it comes to leveling up and improving, cause that is a huge component to a games Longevity (no matter what game it is), it is one aspect where Tekken is severely flawed. Honestly, I'd trade all the DLC in Tekken for a damn tutorial and in game frame data. At least the people I play...