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Maxdrago was right all along. Truly one of the DOA gods.

I never found wake up kicks to be that much of a threat. Since the attacker is risking a lot doing them. Helena isn't putting you at disadvantage, she's making you tech to avoid being at disadvantage. The only thing that happened is that the situation was reset. Is that really the worst...

Really, whats the difference? Yes, but is that a system thing or is it because players are depending on wake up kicks too much? I prefer to bait wake up kicks than faux pressure, or at least I did since we last played, but people really need to learn how to adjust without it.

Well it's good that she has to continually keep doing it. Besides Pai, she retains the lowest damage output in the game. Is the loss of wake up kick that good? Or are players too dependant on it?

Learning what?

You can learn it online if E.mann is anything to go by. ^_-

You're free to actually add to the discussion, rather than continually name calling players.

Just shows you how close to DOA4 this game is, wonder if that'll change? Is it a player, match up, or an engine thing?

Or because you had nothing to add to other than name calling people you disagree with.

Maxdrago complains that a character is better than they are without anything of substance, like you're doing now. It's always funny whenever anyone says this they never have any information on Helena to back their statement up. Just about every single one in this thread. Whereas it's the...

Props to E.Mann and Mamba for repping god tier.Fuck yo guaranteed shit, Imma guess this mothafucka down 4-6 times. Hype grand finals, Master's Hayabusa is a thing of art.

More damage on her holds, guaranteed follow ups, but with a severe damage modifier.

There is no advantage. She's recovering from BKO 6p whiff and you have invincible frames from teching. You're not being forced to tech, you're teching. What disadvantage is there in this scenerio? Except for the fact that the numbers won't add up in your favor. Well I'll assemble a team...

If people want to respect Helena like she's a legitimate character then yeah she's amazing.

Here's the literal definition before I respond. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact Frame data wise, she's one of the slowest in the game. Unless the value of numbers has changed in the past 1000 years. You can add in all the guess variables you desire, but the numbers are pretty...

It's funny how some of you are making the arguement against that she can't win, lol. When we're saying she has weaker tools. Which are facts at this point. People are too prone to the "force tech", which makes no sense since you're not at any disadvantage and her offense is slower than yours...

Well it's as close to slots in a casino as a fighting game can get.

It shouldn't be the only throw break the leave the aggresor at advantage.

Yup this is become more apparant with play, I love DOA, but I just do not like the over reliance on guessing. Even character that play DOA5 have to play DOA4, just less.

Well when the general response is, "she wins matches, nothing wrong with her at all!" . Completely ignoring her core problems. Like it's suddenly ok for her to be doing shit damage and having slow unsafe moves that some players are not punishing. A low tier character is not one that can not...