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Helena Buffs: - 33P4P no longer wall smacks - 6P force techs - a 10frame mid jab - increase damage output by 1.3x - 2K stuns longer What are the chances of this happening?

Wait, but 6P doesn't force up in general now no matter how many times you do it.

Won't the second 6P hit push them away even further, making things more difficult to dash up to them and continue the pressure?

Hmmm, it seems very useful against people who over guards. It it safe to spam it?

How do you do that final chain at the very end of the vid?

And I shot the sheriff :)

This might be a bit off topic, but I'm having some trouble with Rachel's force tech online. She either rushes in and stuns with a fast attack, or goes in for a grab loop. What are Helena's best options then? Does she have anything that can out poke her while Rachel's rushing in?

Okay, just tested out Helena and I have to say that her :3: :3: :P: :4: :P:, :6: :P: isn't the only thing that's nerfed. Not sure if I'm imagining things, but her :2: :h+k: seems to have a longer recover time now. In the vanilla version I as able to connect :6: :K: and :h+k: right...

Thanks Eckhart, I do have the Core version. But no Helena unfortunately(not even in tutorial) :( Well Kokomi, you can always fight my sub - Hayate in DOA5U. What's your PSN?

Oh wow, it's been awhile since I checked on Helena and from what I can tell, she's be heavily nerfed? So I heard that :3: :3: :P: :4: :P: still works, but :6: :P: doesn't?? Is there an alternative? Because :h2: :K: wiffs badly if they use wakeup kicks from what I remember. I...

What are some good follow up with Hayate's Teleport? Because as soon as I get beind the opponent, they always seem to have the advantage hitting me first.

Does :h3::P: work the same way?

I heard that Helena has moves that crushes MIDS is that right?

Didn't use her in DOA4, but what's so special about her "PP2KP" then?

Against good players that always tech, I would just omit the :6::P: and low sweep(:h2::K:) if I predict they attack, grab if they try to guard/counter while Helena is still in BKO. If they do tech themselves, they will be close enough for you to do all that stuff.

It's got to be her :3::3::P::4::P:. ....Just kidding. But seriously, I didn't even know he had useless moves and I wasn't aware she had something strange like :236::p+k: until sometime ago. What I didn't find useful was :7::K::K:, although I'm not a hundered percent sure if it's useless.

Wow, I actually used all of those. Incuding the ones not mentioned like, :h1: :P::P::K: and :h1::P::P::f::4::K:. So either I'm using them at the wrong time, or I'm just terrible with her.

Against players who turtle with fast characters like Hayate and Kasumi, I noticed that low stuns can be more effective than grabs. So which are her best low stuns when spacing? Which low strikes are useful when getting out of pressure?

LMAO!

So far I have: :3::3::P: (it's pretty good), :p+k:, :h1: :P::P::K:(a bit risky), and :h4::P::P::K:(seems to be a bit effective). I'm not sure if my reaction is slow, or if it's due to lags, but mid attacks from the faster characters seems to beat out her stuff everytime. So :2::+::h+k: doesn't...