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1p crushes high and high-mid 2p crushes high 2H+K crushes high and high-mid 1P+K crushes high You can't get a guaranteed mount/take-down from any stuns. To get a guaranteed mount you have to knock them into the ground at a certain height, or from standing. 3H+K, and 9p work from standing...

Only one of those combos is actually a guaranteed mount.

Hitomi seems to be a big problem now that his ability to crush is gone. Not being able to crush her high mix-ups means you have to SS and hope you don't get thrown or hit with a low sweep. You have to stick to 6k and K for offense, too, or risk being parried, and they you're just getting stuffed.

I'd also like to point out that if you DON'T do it, you're at a disadvantage.

Not likely. Throwing out a TD raw in anyway is asking to be punished; people will either low throw or try to attack.

8_2H+P+K. Can't KBD with 22_88.

I was the unfortunate victim of a Tina infinite. Same idea as the others, but with her ground throw (while laying face down with you head toward her). It only works online, I went and tested it in sparring right after it happened.

Obviously I need to pay more attention to what I'm doing. lol Edited the first setup of the setups I posted on the last page: The first setup isn't quite as good as I thought. If someone's stoping you're CB and you want a guaratneed mount go for 3H+K instead, it's still safe if they block...

But you have a 15i mid kick that covers half the screen already. lol Playing at high level the cancel into punch probably wouldn't work.

Sorry, that was supposed to be 214H+P*.

I could have sworn I tried it and it didn't work. Oh well, I'm not complaining :P

I posted them up there.

I don't think 9p actually "guarantees" a ground throw. 9P is also safe on whiff, and can't be held.

I mean the cancel itself is unsafe. The takedown is 23 or 24i, when you cancel it cancels at 16. The punch is really a 21i attack in the end. You can actually be thrown before the punch even comes out. No, I haven't had anyone throw me. I don't go crazy on the take-downs unless I know...

I'll check it out, thanks

Ryu is far from bottom, I'd say he's in the mid range.

I agree with Fuzzy Backdash. I don't see how it's a Kara, nothing's really being cancelled; her transition just moves her backwards.

Setups: - If you're using 3PP to reach CB and they're holding the CB, go for a fully charged 7K. Because they can't hold right away from 3PP, 7K will hit perfectly. If they don't hold you get +15 (though nothing's guaranteed unless you're on a wall). If it hits it maxes out stun threshold and...

Ground throw is guaranteed after a low kick hold. I don't like the TD cancel into p, it's really unsafe. You get a 7i move, but cancelling takedown adds too much to it to warrent using it.

I was playing around with it today; your standing guard needs to take priority over your low to get real use out of it. Because KBD is easier and faster, I haven't got much use out of it.