Competitive balance: DOA5U mechanics changes

[GeomighT]

I really like TN to cut the game down to 4 weight classes ... way to many at the moment feather , light , welter , middle , cruiser , bruiser , heavy , it took me a long time learn all the weight specific guarantee setups , force techs , and other variables based on the current build while I feel rewarded for taking the time learning the specifics yet here we are almost a year down the road and good amount of characters still have not been fully broken down to a science meanwhile I check these forums and others the community is still discovering more and more unique things based on the 7 weight classes in game.
ultimate is right around the corner to even further the separation from the detailed weight combos the community has discovered ; yet were still incomplete in picking up what i like to call easter egg combos/setups . To me this is a better solution than nerfing force techs , shortens learning curve a bit when training someone new .

 

[synce]

^ You're overthinking it, there's really just 3 weight classes in DOA5 and almost nobody uses Bass or Bayman online so you can get by with two juggle

And just be glad there's no such thing as execution errors in DOA, it has the most lenient buffer system in the world

Anyway today's random 5U update:

- Jacky's 6K(G) is +7 on block
- Leon's P+K is a hit throw, or whatever they're called

 

[Raansu]

at least it seems like the good kind of hush hush,after seeing Cow's post im more on the side of excited than anxious.

Cow will praise this game no matter how good or bad it gets so really his word means shit.

 

[Brute]

- Leon's P+K is a hit throw, or whatever they're called

Wow, actual news about Leon. 'Bout damn time.

 

[Zeo]

- Jacky's 6K(G) is +7 on block.

I've gotten used to DOA just frames, this sounds wonderful. Definitely picking up Jacky.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Wow, actual news about Leon. 'Bout damn time.

i played with those in VF very fun,Goh was able to do them on hit and block so unless you moved you went down.i really hope Bayman gets one

 

[crapoZK]

- Jacky's 6K(G) is +7 on block

So I could do 6K(G), and then neutral throw and it will be guaranteed? Guess Jacky will be my sidekick (See what I did there?).

 

[Matt Ponton]

No, you can't. You aren't able to connect a throw if the opponent is in guard disadvantage.

 

[crapoZK]

No, you can't. You aren't able to connect a throw if the opponent is in guard disadvantage.

Awww man. At least it would give me time to get away with a back dash.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

No, you can't. You aren't able to connect a throw if the opponent is in guard disadvantage.

guard disadvantage? whats that?

 

[crapoZK]

guard disadvantage? whats that?

I think it is when you guard an attack, you cannot immediately attack back. Guard stagger pretty much.

 

[Brute]

guard disadvantage? whats that?

Caught in guard break animation. For example, do 4PK with Ryu, then do T. It will go right through them, as if they were stunned.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Not just guard breaks, but also if you're at frame advantage after a guarded attack the throw won't connect. You can be at +100 on a normal guard but any throws will just go through it.

Throws only connect at frame disadvantage if the opponent is in animation recovery state.

 

[grap3fruitman]

He's tested the +100 thing too.

 

[David Gregg]

I think it would be nice if you could throw an opponent in a guard disadvantage. They could work it out so that if the opponent pressed an attack button they would be able to evade the throw (but couldn't obviously hit you). Now I guess they really wouldn't get any reward for it unless it gets them out of the stagger and now puts you in a stagger allowing them to set up a possible combo. Thoughts? Because I'm getting tired of carefully attacking opponents in a stun who know that I'm going to attack and are mashing the counter button like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

counters should not enable you to win a match i suggest they make it to where there will always be a magic pixel when you try to kill them with it.

 

[Argentus]

counters should not enable you to win a match i suggest they make it to where there will always be a magic pixel when you try to kill them with it.

like how you couldn't kill people with stage breaks before?

But what's wrong with a reversal for the win? I can understand things like Lei Fang and Pai Chan's little "turn you wheel" thing that doesn't actually hit you...but why should a foot to the chest no longer do damage just because it was performed by a reversal instead of just thrown out?

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

it makes finishing people up to chance and a pain in the ass cause people get super defensive and spam the dam things when you go in for the last hit

 

[FlamingMuffin]

it makes finishing people up to chance and a pain in the ass cause people get super defensive and spam the dam things when you go in for the last hit

Then bait and throw. There's no reason countering shouldn't kill an opponent.

 

[Argentus]

it makes finishing people up to chance and a pain in the ass cause people get super defensive and spam the dam things when you go in for the last hit

That's like getting mad at people for "block spamming". Wait, no, thats not even "like", that's "Exactly the same". Just grab em.