I think he liked scoring it as a trip on CH by crushing highs. Ryu's 2K used to be similar in function until they nerfed it to be standing state as well. Now the move is far less useful.
DOA5U Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate Arcade ver. 1.04 change log
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leifang has a zillion crush moves shell be alright lol. And when they nerfed it with busa it mattered more because he has the while rising stuff
Ein has/had slower crouch frames as well.
NightAntilli
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Yep. Of course I liked it as a trip. It's fast (15 frames), and on fastest slow escape, it grants you +12 on counter hit. 2P, which is equally as fast, grants you +0 on both counter and high counter hit. Her 2F+K is generally too slow for up close, especially against characters like Christie and Sarah. She has no other quick lows.
Yeah.. And all of them are at least -12 on block -.-
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Blazeincarnated
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Really no Zack buff's? -_- Some fucking recovery on sway....... REALLY? SMFH
True but she has sebakis out the ass. But they changed genfus as well a while ago so I can relate
Batcommander
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Dammit, rachel strut has been nerfed. I loved her crab walk and BT walking away animations, was so funny to troll people with.
NightAntilli
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At least Gen Fu still has 1P. Not quite as fast, but faster than his or Leifang's 2F+K.
NightAntilli
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Really? It's -3 according to the frame data in the game. And even if it is throw punishable, so is Leifang's 2K currently, at -6. Doesn't mean they are not useful on counter hit. Gen Fu's 1P on counter hit gives more advantage than Leifang's 2F+K, plus it's faster. Gen Fu has another low move to at least slightly compensate for his 2K loss. Leifang has nothing.
Commmanda Panda
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they will be location testing these changes right? so it's possible that some things may not be included or other things to be added?
David Gregg
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Just wanted to point out a typo that SRK made with the translation.
For Eliot it should be 4K not 5K that had the guard advantage change.
For Eliot it should be 4K not 5K that had the guard advantage change.
DR2K
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Helena breakdown
- 2H+K, etc.: Counter Hit and above Critical changed. (There was really nothing wrong with it, so it was probably nerfed to a weaker stun)
- 44PP2P, etc.: Delayable frames adjusted. (Is this even a string she has?)
- P+K Hurtbox adjusted. (Adjusted to what? Is it still a high/mid crush?)
- 44P+K Hurtbox adjusted. (Again to what? This move doesn't have much utility outside PL anyways)
- K: Damage reduced from 26 to 24. (big fucking whoop)
- 3KK: Effect on hit now the same as KKK. (This is probably a nerf, buy maybe a buff if it doesn't knockdown anymore)
- PK: Damage reduced from 26 to 24. (So fucking what? What is the point of a 2 damage nerf to her kicks? What is it supposed to accomplish?)
- K, KK, PK, PKK, 3K, 3KK: Delayable frames adjusted. (i imagine this is another nerf since they're already very delayable)
- Back 4P+K: Guard advantage changed from -10 to -4F. (Major plus, now it's completely safe)
- 3PP4, 6P4: Fixed issue that caused an off-axis when turning, resulting in front attacks. (Nice buff, less accidental inputs the better)
- 66H+K: Guard advantage changed from -16 to -5F. (Nice that it's safer, no Helena player is going to use this outside of PL or bound combo)
- H+K2: To prevent accidental input, delayable time adjusted. (this was never an issue)
- Crouching state hurtbox adjusted. (to what? is it bigger, smaller, etc?)
1p is not punishable on hit but yea. It tracks too lol. I still think shell be fine though. she has so many defensive tools already. but I digress losing any tool sucks
Haipa Sonikku
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Updated.
Haipa Sonikku
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Yeah. Testing started earlier in the day in JPN and should be finalized by the end of January.