FakeSypha
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Same here. Didn't they changed that with 5U on release? Even making the motion of the stick circular to shave the most frames (73737373 SE method got 'removed'). This actually happened, right? or am I THIS delusional?
DOA5U Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate Arcade ver. 1.04 change log
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DarkShadeXZero
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Can't it be done with the pad as well? I tried to SE on a few occasions(with the pad) but I haven't really say down to see if it worked.
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Haipa Sonikku
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Exactly. Playing and following the fighting genre extensively for over 20 years, I've never understood where this garbage ass mentality of looking down on JPN (losing mostly) especially when it comes to 3D fighting games comes from. For 11 years though, DOA was exclusively on the most irrelevant platform in Japanese history, Xbox. Overall glad you did what most DOA players don't do (unlike Tekken) and that is travel and get that all important offline real experience.
Codemaster92163
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Best news I've heard in a long time. Didn't know they patched it out with U's release.
Kokoro... the last stun in her 66P+K is no longer a faint .. its a long stun
However it seems that the followups after 214H+P are guaranteed again (jut like vanilla 5) ... Kokoro changed quite a bit it seems... good
Eliot... The bound 6P+K isn't on a BT opponent, that knocks them down
.. its actually from the front .. guarantees dash forward > (3)P > 3PPP46P .. I love it
Genfu is still a fucker ..
Helena is still annoying .. feels the same
Alpha's K string lost a lot of its delay ... but, its still delayable so... meh
Leifangs 6H+P is now a wall slam near the wall .. I like it ... she still plays pretty much the same ..
However it seems that the followups after 214H+P are guaranteed again (jut like vanilla 5) ... Kokoro changed quite a bit it seems... good
Eliot... The bound 6P+K isn't on a BT opponent, that knocks them down
.. its actually from the front .. guarantees dash forward > (3)P > 3PPP46P .. I love it
Genfu is still a fucker ..
Helena is still annoying .. feels the same
Alpha's K string lost a lot of its delay ... but, its still delayable so... meh
Leifangs 6H+P is now a wall slam near the wall .. I like it ... she still plays pretty much the same ..
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Nobus3r1
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Holy irrelevant changes and/or nerfs Batman! (hopefully the formatting doesn't fuck my commentary here)
Overall I agree that these are incredibly minor changes. They're minor nerfs to a very middling character and there's absolutely nothing in there that even tries to address issues that Rachel has in her bad matchups. Son, I am disappoint.
Will have to see what this actually means.
Minor nerf.
Debatable. On the one hand less advantage for a slow character is certainly a nerf. On the other hand, as several in the Rachel sub-forum have pointed out the lesser advantage may open up other tactical opportunities as +7 provides more of a glimmer of hope of being able to retaliate. On the third hand the nerfs that Rachel has seen to date in DOA5U have clearly demonstrated that people are completely unwilling to do even a modicum of research on how the character functions and how to combat her (hint: pick a faster character).
Probably a very minor buff unless this allows for something unintentional (which would then almost assuredly be removed) like vanilla DOA5 wavedashing.
Tools > damage and this is an especially minor damage boost.
Speaking of tools these moves seems to have made the fools trade of an insignificant damage boost at the cost of greater recovery. Would like to see what the half-rise state does.
Presumably this is a bug fix.
This (and the following change) might mean that there's now a reason to use 2K in addition to or instead of 2H+K.
Yay! Minor nerfs to one of her few good low attacks and one of her three strings that involves a low at some point. Now we just need to wait for 4PP2P to get nerfed (1PP already got wrecked).
Whatever.
I would prefer if TN would make a decision regarding this move. Either make it useful and usable or remove it from the game. Right now Yurlungur functions as a taunt and a test of whether or not your opponent knows how to tech roll. That's not helpful.
I assume that this is a bug fix.
Overall I agree that these are incredibly minor changes. They're minor nerfs to a very middling character and there's absolutely nothing in there that even tries to address issues that Rachel has in her bad matchups. Son, I am disappoint.
I feel that it is a good thing TN doesn't listen to a lot of things the 'community' says because everyone seems to THINK they know exactly what every character is 'supposed' to be played like they've become some master game designer/balancer or DOA champ. So many people bombard their twitter asking for this tweak or that buff/nerf, and quit frankly, I'm unaware of the skill level of the person asking such changes, which would be nice to consider.
Every time another one of those "zomg TN please fix this!!1" posts come in they're like, "Aw shit, another one? Ehhh..." And they don't take it as seriously as the last 200 other suggestions have been wtf.
TN listening to close to zero suggestions is better than listening to shitty ones.
Every time another one of those "zomg TN please fix this!!1" posts come in they're like, "Aw shit, another one? Ehhh..." And they don't take it as seriously as the last 200 other suggestions have been wtf.
TN listening to close to zero suggestions is better than listening to shitty ones.
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Nobus3r1
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I'd prefer it if they where listening to zero outside suggestions because based on the changes that vanilla and ultimate have seen it mostly seems like they've been listening to the shitty ones.
David Gregg
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Eliot... The bound 6P+K isn't on a BT opponent, that knocks them down
.. its actually from the front .. guarantees dash forward > (3)P > 3PPP46P .. I love it
Huh? That's odd it did list it as being a BT bound. Oh well I guess that's better than nothing. Thanks for letting me know EC.
This is how I feel about Bass' BT T and that move had way less controversy surrounding it. A lot of these good tools are taken away to facilitate some people who can't be bother finding a way around it. With Rachel's stomp, it was even harder, but the character was still a scrub killer and fell nowhere near the level of the top tiers i.e: Kasumi, Lei Fang, Christie, Gen Fu, etc.
Now these characters fall in the shitter and no one cares.
I actually think its really good.Huh? That's odd it did list it as being a BT bound. Oh well I guess that's better than nothing. Thanks for letting me know EC.
It gives him an extra option from early stun to push the opponent closer to the wall. because the juggle is pretty much universal ..
DontForkWitMe
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any news on Leon's 33p knockback? what follow ups can he do now since its suppossed to leave opponents closer on hit
any news on Leon's 33p knockback? what follow ups can he do now since its suppossed to leave opponents closer on hit
well its the same frame data .. so .. 33P > 7P ALWAYS connects .. which is beautiful ...
Honestly .. I dont think he needs anything more.. LOL He's a powerhouse
Yurlungur
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Actually you can still combo into grounded 2k but you lose a lot of damage in order to get the heel. Basically after the air throw you do 6k, 2k 80% of the time the empress heel is guaranteed. The only issue with that method for the heel is that they're knocked too far so they're out of throw range and you can only hit with a long range mid. I'm still debating if this is even a decent buff. Probably not.
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Omegan Eckhart
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I'm not sure why Helena needed nerfing, in Ultimate TN ruined the ground game which was what Helena's game play was centred around, removed all her safe moves, again and now more nerfs. I know the nerfs are mild but they are totally unnecessary.
Nerfing her delayable strings when she has almost no safe strings is BS.
Who decided she needed a damage nerf?
P+K hitbox adjustment means her best crush, (which is certainly not BS like it was in DOA4) is getting nerfed, again.
BT 4P+K being -4 doesn't help. Instead of getting throw punished she will eat a BT combo instead.
The one buff she got is 66F+K being -5 on block instead of -16. I know it's an unholdable that guarantees jack shit but why make it safe?
Fuck only knows why TN thought these were changes that needed to be made.
Nerfing her delayable strings when she has almost no safe strings is BS.
Who decided she needed a damage nerf?
P+K hitbox adjustment means her best crush, (which is certainly not BS like it was in DOA4) is getting nerfed, again.
BT 4P+K being -4 doesn't help. Instead of getting throw punished she will eat a BT combo instead.
The one buff she got is 66F+K being -5 on block instead of -16. I know it's an unholdable that guarantees jack shit but why make it safe?
Fuck only knows why TN thought these were changes that needed to be made.