DOA5U: system tweeks/character buffs and nerfs for Team NINJA
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FlamingMuffin
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Are we looking at the same character? She has gap control, I can give you that. 214P has good range (even though 33P was nerfed) However:
- She honestly isn't that safe. Lots of her "safe moves" are -6/-7 on block. Neutral throw or use a grappler against her and her safety flies out the window.
- 1P+K is neutral on block and slow, 214P is good but again +0, Heichu P+K you shouldn't be blocking it as you should be SSing it
- Reset throws the options in 5U were reduced to Heichu P+K and 2P, both of which can be countered and since the P+K stun is hot garbage....
- Her mixups have been reduced: Heichu advantage being nerfed, PK4K/2P being slowed down with less stun (MAJOR nerf with less stun). She isn't Kasumi or Chrisite or THE MAJORITY OF THE CAST where some strings have a small NH low stun, or tracking to keep the opponent honest. Heichu stance is telegraphed so SS.
- Disproportionate? It does 65 damage. Every other character in the game got their throws buffed to compensate for the lifebar increase. She did not. How does Ayane, Hitomi and Helena have less strike capability than her?
- The 44P sabaki stun is also hot garbage. Did they counter? Enjoy being +10 and not being able to CB, launch or even extend the stun. Did you wait to see if they would counter and they didn't? Enjoy losing the stun while they fall to the floor (Heichu P+K suffers the same way)
- Her stuns were nerfed, so her best CB stun options are gone. She only has her pseudo 66P+KP+K2P CB mixup now
- Her damage was nerfed slightly + health bar increase = less damaging
- 1T is now useless (see previous)
The stun guessing game is fine. In 5, she made you afraid of certain options giving her a stronger mixup game. She had 1T giving free entry. Heichu had options at all three levels. All they had to do in 5U was give her a mid tracking move, and she would be good. They failed and took away everything solid that she had.
/rant (Just really put down by the fact she was nerfed so heavily while buffing Gen Fu for example)
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All her stuns are pretty garbage, honestly. You basically have to 9P between every two moves, 'cause everything that's not a high punch stuns for like +15 after SE if you're lucky and +5 if you're not (or -15 on hit). She can't realistically launch or CB off of anything that isn't 9P. Her throws are terrible. Still no tracking. Her now limited mixups just lead to frame advantage or even more 9Ps. She's not unplayable by any means, though, 'cause this is DOA and even Bass can win games with the triangle system.
d3v
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This is why I keep saying y'all should make a match up chart first. But I guess people are too afraid if finding out that their characters are actually strong after asking for all these buffs/changes.
There was such a thing for DOA5. I don't feel DOA5U is out long enough for matchup charts outside of stuff like, "Bass vs Kasumi is a joke."
d3v
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If it hasn't been long enough for a match up chart, then it hasn't been long enough to ask for tweaks and buffs.
This topic is a joke. Don't take it seriously. Did you read the second post? Guy wants DOA mixups to be Injustice mixups. Or the next page, where he wants to buff Alpha.
MasterHavik
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Yeah a lots of odd things being said.
It's more compared to other characters in 5U. A three part throw that only does 65 damage isn't good even on a striker. It was great in vanilla.
EDIT: On a side note, I drop it like a quarter of the time. I've spent like 2 hours in the lab grinding just that. I do like 2-3f combos in 2D fighters all the time. Izuna, I can do near 100% without any practice ('cause Hayabusa is hard ;_; ). It's the weirdest thing.
EDIT: On a side note, I drop it like a quarter of the time. I've spent like 2 hours in the lab grinding just that. I do like 2-3f combos in 2D fighters all the time. Izuna, I can do near 100% without any practice ('cause Hayabusa is hard ;_; ). It's the weirdest thing.
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Yeah, it's the one thing I can do well on Hayabusa.
d3v
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You're mixing up terminology.
American 2D FGC uses different terminology from the standard (i.e. Japan).
What we call "mids" in 3D FGs are actually analogous to overheads in US 2D FG terms. In fact, they're called exactly that (mids) in Japan.
Max536Drago
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Max536Drago
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I just want them to use one thing from injustice.
MasterHavik
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that won't work since both games are made differently.
I already explained. He won't listen.
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