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Characters Eliot Guide by Colver

ColonelColver

ColonelColver

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Disclaimer: This Guide will be Eliot's best moves and how to use them.
I will be using a lot of number notation for this Guide, so to understand this completely, it is important that you know it. Here it is for those who do not:
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Basic Frame data for moves you’ll need:

  • :P::P::4::6::P: (PP46P and all strings like it) - For starters, this move is executed by inputting PP4-6P. The dash represents the very slight pause between PP4 and 6P. The 46P portion of the string is the same as the move, being a +2 GB, and has more than one use. It's general usage is to get max damage for his combos, as it does two more points of damage than the K string ender, and 4 more points of damage than the P ender. However, you will also be at advantage if you use this move on block. At +2, it is your best bet, anyway, because PPP is -12, and PPK is -13. Even if you land PP2P, you will still be -5, and if it is blocked, you can be punished, for it is -9 on block. PP46P is the only string ender that Eliot has that cannot be punished. Other strings that Eliot has that can end in 46P include: 4PPPP46P, 6PP46P, 3PPP46P, 1PPPPP46P, P+KP46P, 2P+K46P, and many more. Both the string version of 46P and 46P itself are i21, however the string version can be delayed, or can be over i21 depending on how you input it. If you're going above i24 for the string version consistently, you may want to practice 46P some more, as you run the risk of dropping combos.
  • :P::4::P::P: (P4PP, second and third punch can be done by inputting 1K4PP.)- The second punch leaves Eliot back-turned, and is -7. The back-turned position allows Eliot access to other strikes, which will be covered later in the guide (see Back-Turned Strikes). The final punch is a +19 stun that can be followed up by 9K, which is an unslowescapable launch. However, if the move is blocked, you will be left at a severe -12 disadvantage.
  • :8::P: (8P)- general great move, being an i15 high punch that is only -5. The lift stun that 8P provides is +33 fastest stagger, so it grants Eliot an unslowescapable, CB, or launch if you’re so inclined.
  • :7::P: (7P)- i9 high that on normal hit (NH) and Hi Counter (HiC), is +0 (neutral) if the opponent does not slow escape, and -4, if they slow escape at fastest. On counter hit (CH), however, the move got a dramatic change from it’s past appearances in DoA5 and DoA5U. Since LR’s release, the move has been a +23 fastest stagger blind stun. This move leaves Eliot at -5 disadvantage.
  • :3_::P: (i3P)- Not to be confused with 3P, this move is a great relaunch that is used to maximize damage in combos. The correct way to input this move is to do (663P), it takes a bit of muscle memory to learn how it is done, and get used to it, but it is worth it. i3P is punishable on block at -8, but also +26 on fastest stagger on NH, it will launch otherwise.
  • :2::P: (2P)- i15 low punch and +0 on NH. -4 on block.
  • :236::P: (236P)- +2 high punch guard break.
  • :214::P: (214P)- Eliot has this move as a sabaki, meaning, in this case, Eliot will parry highs, and hit the opponent with a mid punch that will grant him a +46 crumple stun on both CH and HiC. It is -4 on block, and has a few great set ups from it, that will indeed be discussed later in this guide. If you successfully parry a move with this sabaki, the damage you do after it will not change. Meaning, if you do a combo after the sabaki that does 95 damage on NH, the damage you do will not scale for CH or HiC.
  • :6::6::P: (66P string)- 66P is an i15 mid punch that is great for both spacing and pressure, the opponent has to guess what you’re going to follow up with, continuing the string, free-cancelling and punch-grabbing, or free-cancelling into a mix-up.
  • :8::H+P+K:/:2::H+P+K: :P: (SSP)- Essentially being a better version of Eliot’s 9P, without being able to continue the string. It is a high punch that on NH, grants Eliot +26 advantage fastest stagger.
  • :9::K::K: (9KK)- The initial kick is an i13 high kick that launches on CH. This is Eliot’s fastest launch, and his third fastest strike in general. 9K is-15 on block and the follow up kick is -16.
  • :4::K: (4K)- i16 tracking mid kick that is -6 on block, and on CH, grants Eliot a +13 stun on fastest stagger.
  • :3::K::P: (3KP)- Mid kick to mid punch which leads into a sit-down stun (SDS) if the second punch lands. The SDS is +15 fastest stagger, so nothing is guaranteed from it, the most you can get is 6P or 3K as an unholdable hit, however they can be slow escaped.
  • :6::6::K: (66K)- i18 mid kick that is +11 on NH, and a +41 crumple stun on CH or HiC. Two properties this move has is that when done to a crouching opponent, it will cause a SDS. Also, if done at max threshold to a crouching opponent, it will cause a bound state. It is also semi-safe at -7.
  • :236::K: (236K)- +3 high kick guard break. Unholdable.
  • :6::6::P+K: (66P+K)- +4 mid punch guard break, can also be used as an efficient spacing tool.
  • :H+K: (H+K)- i16 tracking high kick that is +12 fastest stagger and -12 on block.
  • :6::H+K: (6H+K)- -5 mid kick that can be used as a force tech in closed stance, and a pseudo tech in open stance.
  • :4::H+K: (4H+K)- tracking high kick guard break, that is -1.
  • :4::[[h+k]]: (4H+K (full charge))- tracking high kick guard break that is +17.
  • :2::H+K::P: (2H+KP)- The initial low kick is +1 if the opponent does not slow escape, and -3 if they slow escape on fastest. The follow-up punch, however, cannot be slow escaped, only held.
  • :9::h:/:3::h: (9H/3H)- Eliot’s two parries, 9H parrying highs, and 3H parrying mids. Both of these grant Eliot +16 advantage and guarantee his 6P, 9K, and 3K. Most people try to hold high after the initial guaranteed strike, which will catch the second kick of 9KK. So, you can bait your opponent into holding after it, then score a HiC grab.
  • (6T-T)- Punishing with Eliot, you have to know the timing of 6T-T. This is a two part, i7 grab, which is breakable. If it is broken, you are left at -10, so knowing the timing is very important.
  • (66T)- Eliot’s i10 66T grab, the primary use of this grab is to use it near cliffs, as it does more damage than 236T near a cliff, since you cannot get a combo off of 236T near a cliff.
  • (236T)- Most damaging grab, if you know the correct combos. Possible combos are as follows:

Featherweight- i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P (NH: 78/ CH: 99/ HiC: 115) or 6P, 2P+KP+K, 3PPP46P. (NH: 80/ CH:101/ 118)

Lightweight- i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P (NH: 78/ CH: 99/ HiC: 115) or 6P, 2P+KP+K, 3PPPK (NH: 78/ CH: 99/ HiC: 116)

Middleweight- i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P (NH: 78/ CH: 99/ HiC: 115) or 6P, 2P+KP+K, 3PPPK (NH: 78/ CH: 99/ HiC: 116)

Super heavyweight- i3P, i3P, i3P 6PP46P (NH: 75/ CH: 90/ HiC: 105)

  • (214T)- This i10 grab enables to to learn about your opponent. Eliot is left at +10 from this so it gives him insane priority over the opposing character. This grab can help you determine if your opponent will respect your advantage and block, sidestep, or hold, in which case, you can throw again, or go for a tracking move, preferably for this case, 4K. It will also tell you if they are going to disrespect your advantage and try to hit a button afterwards, in which case, they will be very easily out-striked.
Back-Turned (BT) Strikes:
  • Back-turned :4::P::P: (BT 4PP)- i15 double mid punch string. -8 and -9 on block, respectively. From NH to HiC, it will cause a +24 lift stun on fastest stagger.
  • Back-turned :K: (BT K)- i14 high kick that causes a hard knock-down. This move is actually rather underused for how good it is, only being -2 on block, and also tracking.
  • Back-turned :4::K: (BT 4K)- Eliot’s highest launching strike, only being obtainable from back-turned. To those wondering, this is, indeed a mid kick, not a high, I’ve been asked that question since I started DoA back in Dimensions. It is, has, and most likely will always be a mid kick. This move is i14 and -11 on block.
  • Back-turned :2::K: (BT 2K)- i18 low kick that is +5 fastest stagger, and +12 no stagger on normal hit. This is not to be confused with Eliot’s 4P2K, which is -4 on NH.

Viable Combos:

(Eliot’s combos are pretty lackluster against super heavyweights. Against middleweights, some combos are possible, but harder than they would be against lightweights. Your timing for i3P is important. Also, obviously, this is not every combo Eliot has, but these are BnBs to show what max damage is from certain situations, and the potential Eliot’s combos have. As I do with all my combos, I will show how each combo scales from each hit type; Normal Hit, Counter Hit, and Hi Counter. Also, for the sake of convenience, I will only be using number notation for these combos. Not that the only combos that can be slow escaped are the ones using 3KP into 3KP, it is an unholdable set-up that can be slow escaped on fastest.)

Featherweight:

  • 2H+KP, i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P. (NH: 83/ CH: 105/ HiC: 123)
  • 3KP, 3KP, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. (NH: 101/ CH: 120/ HiC: 143)
  • 8P, 1K4PP, 9K, i3P, i3P i3P, 3PPP46P. (NH:107/ CH:134/ HiC: 159)
  • [Parry a high with 214P] 214, 66K, 1P+K, 33P, i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P. 104 damage on all hit types.
  • Wall combo: Anything that wall splats, in this case, 66K. 66K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 3PPP46P. (NH: 97/ CH: 118/ 134)
Lightweight:

  • 2H+KP, i3P, i3P, i3P, 2P+K46P. (NH: 73/ CH: 91/ HiC: 108)
  • 3KP, 3KP, i3P, i3P, i3P (NH:93 CH: 115/ HiC:138) ***This combo is incredibly hard to pull off and took me over 30 tries to do for each type of hit, you can tone it down by doing 2 i3Ps, which will be: (NH: 86/ CH: 106/ HiC: 128)
  • 8P, 1K4PP, 9K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. (NH: 100/ CH: 125/ HiC: 149)
  • [Parry a high with 214P] 214P, 66K, 1P+K, 8K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. 94 damage on all hit types.
  • Wall combo: Anything that wall splats, in this case, 66K. 66K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. (NH: 90/ CH: 109/ HiC: 124)
Middleweight:

  • 2H+KP, i3P, i3P, 2P+K46P. (NH: 66/ CH: 82 HiC: 98)
  • 3KP, 3KP, i3P, i3P 46P. (NH: 86/ CH: 106/ HiC: 128)
  • 8P, 1K4PP, 9K, i3P, i3, i3P, 6PPK. NH: (98/ CH: 123/ HiC: 146)
  • [Parry a high with 214P] 214P, 66K, 1P+K, 8K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. 94 damage on all hit types.
  • Wall combo: Anything that wall splats, in this case, 66K. 66K, i3P, i3P, i3P, 6PP46P. (NH: 90/ CH: 109/ HiC: 124)
Super heavyweight:

  • 2H+K, 2P+K46P. (NH: 52/ CH: 69/ HiC: 78)
  • 3KP, 3KP, 2P+K46P. (NH: 72/ CH: 88/ HiC: 108)
  • 8P, 1K4PP, 8P, 4PPPP46P. (NH: 88/ CH: 109/ HiC: 132)
  • [Parry a high with 214P] 214P,66K, 1P+K, 8P, 4PPPP46P. 81 damage on all hit types.
  • Wall combo: Anything that wall splats, in this case, 66K. 66K, i3P, 6PP46P. (NH:76/ CH:91/ HiC: 104)
Set-Ups:

(These are basic things that will help you understand your opponent better. Use them to feel your opponent out, get in their head, and stay there.)

  • 3KP: Use this move to test your opponent, see if the can get out of 3KP, 3K or 3KP, 6P by slow escaping. If they do, then this move isn’t entirely useless, but a lot of combos you try afterwards will be slow escaped, so use your unslowescapable combos. If you need help finding those, they’re noted in the Viable Combos section directly above this. You can also do 3KP, (dash), 236T/214T, for more mind games.
  • 2H+KP: You can use this to test your opponent's reaction holding abilities, most high level players will immediately try to counter the punch following 2H+K, which you can use as a weakness and attempt to grab them, be aware, on NH, without slow escaping, 2H+K is only +1, so a grab can be easily beaten out in that situation. If they do not counter the follow-up punch, it’s a free combo.
  • String Pressure: Eliot’s strings, which include, but are not limited to: 66PP…, 4PP... , 1PP, and 3PP…, are really good for applying pressure. Against somebody with knowledge of the character, they will most likely try to counter somewhere in the string, so use these strings to see what they do.
  • 214T: 214T is a grab that grants Eliot +10 advantage. This is huge, because at this point, Eliot has a lot of breathing room to start pressure, be it another 214T, 236T, or striking. Now, this grab will let you see the player you’re playing. Generally, high level players will try to sidestep out of disadvantage, so you have two strike options if you’re fighting that kind of player, 4K or H+K. You can also try to get another throw in, but the next type of player probably won’t allow that. The next kind of player who will ignore your advantage, and try to hit a button. If you know they’ll do this, they will be easily outstriked, so get them into a deep stun, such as 8P or 66K.
  • Parries (9H/3H): Parries with Eliot are really good, granting him +16 advantage. The mid parry is especially useful, as it will catch both types of mids, which high holds already do. It works as a universal mid counter, however the high version is also just as good for the purpose the parry serves. from both of these parries, you are guaranteed 6P, 9K, and 3K. It’s generally good to get the first hit in and see what they do, if nothing the next time you parry them, 3KP and 9KK are good options to get them into a sticky situation. If they hold, you avoided getting held and next time, you know to grab them. Also, notable that no matter you score HiC, CH, or NH, the damage you deal afterwards will not change.
  • Colver-Diagnosed 4P2K/2H+K Syndrome: This is rather self explanatory, but it is something that I see a lot of Eliot players doing, and I was once suffering from, myself, abusing 4P2K and 2H+K. This is not to say they are bad moves, however, throwing them out with hopes that they will work every time. The main reason for this being a thing is that these moves give a good amount of advantage on Counter/ Hi Counter Hit. However, on NH, the advantage given by these moves are minimal, or not at all, 4P2K being -4 on NH. This is not only a problem that pertains to Eliot, it happens with almost every character, but hopefully this guide will help ease that problem in the Eliot community.
  • Force Techs (FTs): Eliot has a few force techs, which can be teched up out of, but are inescapable if not. These may not all be my findings, however, they are all FTs that I use and have found through experience.
  1. 3PK, SSK (Sidestep Kick) [After launch, depending on weight class, combo may vary. But, you can get three i3Ps before doing it on all weight classes excluding super heavyweights].
  2. 33P2P, 2P+K (this can work either doing 33P2P itself, or in combo). If the opponent techs up, Eliot is left at -9.
  3. P+K2P, 4P(slight delay)2K. After launch, you are not allowed to get as many i3Ps before this FT as you are for the 3PK set up, and it is trickier to land, due to a slight delay that is required. If the opponent techs up, Eliot can hit them with 2K and be at -4 or higher if they hit a button. If they block the 2K, Eliot can indeed be punished.
  4. [Against a wall] PP46P, K2P. (any string variation will work, too. As long as 46P is what wall splats the opponent). Timing is not very lenient, and using this FT will leave you at -8 if the opponent does tech up.
  5. [Against a wall] PPK, P+K2P (again, any string variation of the final kick will also work, as long as the kick is what wall splats the opponent). Timing is a bit more lenient, and Eliot is left at -3 if the opponent techs up.
Shoutouts:

@iThe Apprentice- fellow Eliot specialist and rival.
@Armin- told you I’d tag you for the information in the guide. Also, our matches before made me keep wanting to use Eliot, as the mirrors were always fun.
@JusTheBest29- good friend a fellow Eliot player.
@iHajinShinobi - From over a year ago, thank you for pointing me in the right direction and making me further study my character. Don’t know what I’d be doing if you hadn’t told me 4P2K was not advantageous. This made me angry that you were correcting my playstyle at the time, but I look back at it now and I feel like this was actually information I needed to progress and improve.

***** Final note, this is, indeed just the basics. I will be adding more information to this guide as time goes on.
 
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Jyakotu

Jyakotu

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An excellent guide for my secondary. Would I use him in a tournament yet? Only time will tell until my next one. ;)
 
Darkslay

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Really great breakdown of the character, these need to start happening for other characters as well.

I was particularly interested in the Set-Up portion of the guide. I feel that type of information takes priority over string/frame knowledge when faced with a mix-up situation. Really good stuff.

I'm sure you have further guides or installments planned, and i'll definitely be looking out for them. Cheers. :)
 
Lulu

Lulu

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Awesome Guide....
I've always wanted to play Eliot..... but I can't do :3_::P:..... so whats the point. Its like Driving a Car and never using 2nd Gear.
 
Lulu

Lulu

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Jyakotu said:
You don't NEED to use i3P all the time, but it does help in certain combos to maximize damage, like the guide said.
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And is playing a character you can't maximunmize a good idea ?
Anyway theres a bunch of other attacks I don't use for my other characters..... but I am able to perform them. I just don't use them out of preference..... I just can't make the same justification for moves I can not do.

Think of it as a jar of marmalade on the top shelf, I hate marmalade but if I want to I can reach it no problem.... but if the marmalade is too high then it bugs me if I can't reach it even though I don't like it......

Besides... I have no idea how I feel about :3_::P:..... I need to be able to do it to know how I feel about it.
 
Lulu

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Pictured Mind said:
Even tho' I have no intention of ever learning this stupid character, this is a great guide man. :helena:
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LoL.... I disagres with the first part (but only alil bit) but totally agree with the second..... especially since people might be able to relate to Eliot more than the other characters..... a guide is good for him.
 
iThe Apprentice

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Lulu said:
And is playing a character you can't maximunmize a good idea ?
Anyway theres a bunch of other attacks I don't use for my other characters..... but I am able to perform them. I just don't use them out of preference..... I just can't make the same justification for moves I can not do.

Think of it as a jar of marmalade on the top shelf, I hate marmalade but if I want to I can reach it no problem.... but if the marmalade is too high then it bugs me if I can't reach it even though I don't like it......

Besides... I have no idea how I feel about :3_::P:..... I need to be able to do it to know how I feel about it.
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If you can't reach the marmalade. Then get some steps to reach them. If you don't know how to reach with those steps-My guide explains simply how to do it.
 
Lulu

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iThe Apprentice said:
If you can't reach the marmalade. Then get some steps to reach them. If you don't know how to reach with those steps-My guide explains simply how to do it.
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Yeah I saw that, sometimes the stepping stool is still too short to help me reach the marmalade..... I haven't made an ounce of progress with:3_::P: since... its just way too impractical of an input..... I might have to have to put it into the "Not Even going Bother With Ever Again" pile or the N.E.G.B.W.E.A. Pile for short along with Akira's Knee and Hayayte's Raijin.... and let me not for get Gen Fu's Choryo aswell....... I've had better luck with Ein's WR :K:.... would rather work on that.... but since its also impractical I doubt I'l be using him either....
 
ColonelColver

ColonelColver

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@Jyakotu- Cool! I hope this is helpful on upping your Eliot to tournament level!
@Darkslay- Haha, thanks, I included the SetUps section to show things that you can do, with good results and smart play.
@iThe Apprentice- Thanks, buddy! I'll add in some color soon. Maybe color code the sections.
@Lulu- As I mentioned in the guide, try :6::6::3::P: (663P). Realistically, you will not get overnight results, it takes a bit of dedication and muscle memory to get down, but you'll get it!
@Force_of_Nature- Thanks a bunch! In time, you'll see. I intend to do stage combos for all weight classes, more in-depth set-ups, like wall pressure, and much more!
@Pictured Mind- I appreciate it, means a lot coming from someone who doesn't even like the character, lol! Also I cannot stop laughing at the "Good job on the guide, Colver" remark. xD
@KING JAIMY- Thanks, man. You now know some of the Colver trickery! ;)
 
Lulu

Lulu

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ColonelColver said:
@Lulu- As I mentioned in the guide, try :6::6::3::P: (663P). Realistically, you will not get overnight results, it takes a bit of dedication and muscle memory to get down, but you'll get it!
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Yeah its been more than just one night.... its actually been 5 nights, my limit is 4 Choryo's and the forth I only managed to do once...... but using your method its only 2 Choryo's.

Now I don't expect to master it in a week but I do expect to see some progress of any kind. Kudos to to everyone who can do it..... I can't.... not with a thumb stick anyways. Theres much more entertaining ways to get headache.
 
Lulu

Lulu

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KING JAIMY said:
I can't do those i3P's with the thumb stick as well. Why don't you try the D-pad? It works wonders for me.
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If I had different gamepad other than my generic 360 Controller then I would go for it.... but silly me I bet on the wrong horse for the 7th Gen System Wars..... its so unreliable I can't even count on it to register a simple weapon change in shooting games... its extremely not reliable for fighting games...... should have gotten a PS3. :( then I could use the D-Pad and play online.

Although in my defense I never expected to love any fighting the way I do DoA since my prior experience with the genre has been very very very negative. If I did then I wouldn't be in this mess.

Edit: Here's a fun fact, Sarah's Spear Kick is similar to Eliot's Choryo, except the Spear Kick hits high not mid. Anyway I can do it no problem since the input is:3::3::H+K: and is surprisingly lenient even if it wasn't I don't need to crouch to perform it......

The idea of "Input/Move Slot" has been brought up before...... so lets bring it up again: ;)
Wouldn't it be nice if you could set your moves the exact same way you set your buttons ? I mean the game has a series of function on the left and you just tap whatever button you want that function to be performed by.... I want that feature to be extended all the way to the characters moves aswell: place all the moves on the left and then empty slots on the right: you can then choose what input motion you want for the character's moves.... everybody can then set Eliots Choryo to :3::P:.... because why not ? Its an instantaneous move so its only logical people would set it to an equally instantaneous input motion..... this goes double for Akira's JFK.

LoL I would set Eliots original :3::P: to this input motion: :4862::[[h+p+k]]:.... that way I'l never ever ever ever get it by accident when I'm trying to to do his Choryo. And que evil laughter: MWAHAHA HAHAHA HAHA.............HAHA.:bradwong:

@ColonelColver Sorry if I creeped anybody out or cluttered your thread..... just say the word and I can remove this post for your convenience, :)
 
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