Starting to get the hang of her "neutral game" now. At this point, the only things I'd ask for is for are 3P to be 3PP, 1P to lead into something because she has nothing else to do in the neutral, and either 4P taken down to around 18 frames, or a deeper stun off some of her other moves. I rarely get to use/ see the limbo stun off of it outside of random counter hits. She'd be much more solid with one or two of these buffs.
I Am The Shadow... The True Self... [General Discussion]
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GarryJaune
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LOL I mean air throw,not jump throw,in juggle,8T is same as her 天风 T.
I wouldn't even put this character in consideration at low tier lol. No way.Yeah her safety issues & neutral game in general is a problem but still. She may not be at the top of the list maybe a solid mid tier to high mid tier maybe higher with some decent numbers at best (that remains to be seen), but this character already has things that some players wish that their characters had. 4P (limbo) is giving her guaranteed launchers in 33K & 6K as well as 1PPP+K, 3PP+K, & P+KP+K. 66T is giving her P (guaranteed) for mixup potential, 7KP+K, & 6PKP+K both guaranteed launchers from teleport for juggling potential. 33P is a mid crush that is giving you shit like 33P > 2P > 6PKT for a juggle (lmao!). Not to mention her advanced holds that both grant her damage (46H & 67H) with 1H, 1T, 66T (3PP+K, 7KP+K, 6PKP+K, P) & 236T.
3P+KP is pretty amazing too at -4, crouches under strings, safe & put you right in their face. It also serves as a whiff punisher as does 6H+K, 66P (66PPP+K), & 66K(P+K). Her damage is great along with the wall/ceiling game.She also has a +11 force tech in PP6K2K/6K2K through the stun system. 9K, 2P, 2K, 1K are tech up options. 9K, 33K, 8P, 66KP+K 9PBT4P punishes wake ups for follow ups. SSP is giving guaranteeds too, but it "is" pretty slow. It's still early, but some great tools have already been fleshed out & could get even better for her. Not to mention she can outpoke some characters & has great tracking tools. So it's not all bad.
3P+KP is pretty amazing too at -4, crouches under strings, safe & put you right in their face. It also serves as a whiff punisher as does 6H+K, 66P (66PPP+K), & 66K(P+K). Her damage is great along with the wall/ceiling game.She also has a +11 force tech in PP6K2K/6K2K through the stun system. 9K, 2P, 2K, 1K are tech up options. 9K, 33K, 8P, 66KP+K 9PBT4P punishes wake ups for follow ups. SSP is giving guaranteeds too, but it "is" pretty slow. It's still early, but some great tools have already been fleshed out & could get even better for her. Not to mention she can outpoke some characters & has great tracking tools. So it's not all bad.
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Nightpup
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None of her P+Ks matter if you can't actually land a hit. That's her entire problem; all of the reasons people think she's good can't be used because she has no way to land a decent hit in the neutral game. If a character lacks good neutral tools, they're going to be bad, no matter how much shit they can do after they land the hit. That's the reason Alpha is still decent, despite being nerfed every single patch; she has one of the best neutral games around.
synce
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If you don't see her at tourneys it's only because people would rather take the easy way out with Christie, Helena, or Ayane. But contrary to what some people are saying she CAN get in and she's nasty once she does. To get in with P4 just requires more restraint than other characters. You can't spam low stuns or strings, you have to genuinely outspace and outpoke your opponent.
UpSideDownGRUNT
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In that way she is fairly similar to Hayabusa and Ein, and I really like that.
Nightpup
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And the fact that she lacks those tools is what makes her garbage.
Phase 4, IMO, is lower-mid teir because her lack of neutral game and getting in is what's going to keep her from reaching top tier status. You'll definitely have to work extra hard with her if you want to win matches. Not only that, once people get used to her tele-cancel game, it'll be very easy to counter her. Her P+K tele-cancel reliance is what's going to hold this character back. Each of the Kasumis in this game have some glaring flaw which holds them back from being truly great. On the whole, I do enjoy Phase 4 for the simple fact that she's a very flashy character. She's a character that will most likely draw in those people who like technical characters because of her flash. Basically, if you like to showboat and show off how good at executing strict timing commands you are, then Phase 4 is your gal.
Malfury
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They should make her like Smoke from MK3, lol.
Spacing, people. Spacing. Anything past is unsafe, but even with that, she can be a threat. Just need to be more patient.
is unsafe, but even with that, she can be a threat. Just need to be more patient.
Tenryuga
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Right now your guys primary concern should be to find some way around her garbage neutral as well as figure out what you are going to do against a knowledgeable opponent that's grabbing her for everything. Spacing sounds like the right idea just you gotta be careful. She's by no means equipped to keep someone off of her or zone. Play things smartly in both CQC and during spacing. Don't take unnecessary risks....which will be hard because every damn thing you do with this character is a risk.
I'd honestly say patience is an understatement. When Ein is allowed to do more things than you in CQC there's a problem IMO.
If Ein had the stun - launch damage output she did he would be undeniably low mid - mid tier. Not that his damage output is low but he should be doing more damage for the type of character he is and the work that needs to be put in to land a hit just like Phase 4.
Spacing, people. Spacing. Anything past
I'd honestly say patience is an understatement. When Ein is allowed to do more things than you in CQC there's a problem IMO.
If Ein had the stun - launch damage output she did he would be undeniably low mid - mid tier. Not that his damage output is low but he should be doing more damage for the type of character he is and the work that needs to be put in to land a hit just like Phase 4.
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Princess Kasumi
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Yeah, I had a difficult time experimenting Phase 4 against the Level 8 Brad Wong AI. I know that's not legit research, but it's a good starting point, because a lot of Brad Wong players don't do shit the AI does.
AI? Never.
Hey, gotta test out your character some how. Online isn't viable, because of online lag tactics. Also, when there's literally on offline scene in your area, you're kind of stuck playing by yourself. Such a sad life I live.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO