Chris Harris
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There ya go buddy fixed that for ya
IGN Pro League DOA5 Pro Gaming Tournament
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There ya go buddy fixed that for ya
Just stating something factual. I'm sure a lot of Akira's tools and frame traps from VF5 can be nullified by DOA's 0-frame hold. So he might not be as good as some people are speculating. Maybe try doing something other than being an asshole for once.
Sorry, I don't give a shit about this. No disrespect to Dogg, but this just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would highly interest me or people I play with.
Chris Harris
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I have yet to be an asshole lol. You are literally crying about something you have the least experience in (yet again). Give it a rest dude. All you do is complain and it's getting pretty boring knowing if someone brings up something about the game in a positive light you see that as a chance to try and shoot something down.
We get it, TN decided to not listen to you and do exactly what you want. Now we're all doomed for no one playing the game, yada yada. . . .
Let us be now and be happy with the stuff that people in the community are happy about. Everyone is moving forward, so you should give that a shot too
Arnell Long
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Well since Akira moves will be virtually unchanged from VF with the added Counter Holds of DOA I speculate he will be Upper Mid to High Tier.
This game and the series is for assholes. That means that if you and I play it, then we count as proper batty assholes.
Game Over
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Sounds like you'd be very happy, then, spending your time playing VF5, and disregarding anything involving DOA5. Why concern yourself over a game if all you're going to do is complain about it? All you're really doing is wasting your time.
Quoting this again because no one can read apparently.
Arnell Long
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Grap3, Akira may be better because of the 0-Frame Hold. Imagine a knowledgeable Akira player gaining the advantage after said opponent wrongly placed Hold...I speculate great damage output from that outcome, definitely since Akira has some of the most crucial sit-down stuns from VF.
However these are"our" opinions and nothing's set in stone til we see him in action to truly break him down.
However these are"our" opinions and nothing's set in stone til we see him in action to truly break him down.
Chris Harris
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Grap3 be real. . .everytime someone brings up something in the game you cry " 0 frame hold" lol. . . .
Just drop it dude, we understand you hate the hold and you still don't like how it is even though a lot of us will be giving it a shot. Keep the silly stuff to yourself now as we know your stance on the subject now.
Just drop it dude, we understand you hate the hold and you still don't like how it is even though a lot of us will be giving it a shot. Keep the silly stuff to yourself now as we know your stance on the subject now.
The complaint torwards 0 frame holds is overarted. Reversals in vf are 0 framed as well. The difference being you can be severely punished for doing one in doa(even more so now), and not in the other. Trust me, once people start eating high counter throw punishment for breakfast, lunch and dinner, this idea of holds will escape our minds.
Someone made the claim that Akira's going to be top tier in DOA5 because he's top tier in VF5FS. My position is that you can't throw a character from a game into a different gameplay system and automatically assume he'll stay the same tier because of differences in how the games play. Your interpreting this as I'm crying and being unreasonable and that I'm inexperienced. I'm glad that your experience lets you determine tier lists based on one minute of dated footage for a game that won't be available for six months. I hope to someday also be at this same level as you.
Chris Harris
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Berzerk!
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Personal attacks aside (though I have to give credit to ChrisHarris for high level bitchslap and grap3 for top tier bitch-back just now) we can surely take the heat out of the discussion...
As I understand it in THIS case grap3 wasn't complaining again about the holds themselves (though other peoples reactions are understandable given past record of dead horse beating), he was merely saying that Akira's stun and frame trap game will be affected by the universal hold system of DOA.
This is true, and to elaborate while he already has 0 frame holds in vf (whose windows are a little tighter than doa5 but not by a huge amount), the rest of the cast tend not to nor can they be done out of stun. Not good/bad/better on paper than Doa, this just works for vf.
So yes, his mixup game may change a little - you have to guess a lot when defending against Akira pressure in vf - because people will be able to hold.
But there's another thing to add to the Doa scenario, where Akira gains an advantage different to his advantage in the vf system; that is he can now force people into situations where they WANT to hold to "get out" of his pressure, but as vp indicated, hold recovery will give a sharp Akira player plenty of time to punish and do even more damaging setups.
So yeah. We don't know what tier he will be in and we can agree his play will be different, but it's worth pointing out the Doa system can also benefit him.
As I understand it in THIS case grap3 wasn't complaining again about the holds themselves (though other peoples reactions are understandable given past record of dead horse beating), he was merely saying that Akira's stun and frame trap game will be affected by the universal hold system of DOA.
This is true, and to elaborate while he already has 0 frame holds in vf (whose windows are a little tighter than doa5 but not by a huge amount), the rest of the cast tend not to nor can they be done out of stun. Not good/bad/better on paper than Doa, this just works for vf.
So yes, his mixup game may change a little - you have to guess a lot when defending against Akira pressure in vf - because people will be able to hold.
But there's another thing to add to the Doa scenario, where Akira gains an advantage different to his advantage in the vf system; that is he can now force people into situations where they WANT to hold to "get out" of his pressure, but as vp indicated, hold recovery will give a sharp Akira player plenty of time to punish and do even more damaging setups.
So yeah. We don't know what tier he will be in and we can agree his play will be different, but it's worth pointing out the Doa system can also benefit him.
Raansu
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And you're laughing because?
Akira's reversals are 1/10/30
Aoi's are 1/15/30
Pai's are 1/15/30
So his statement is true.
Raansu
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Just wait till Tuesday when we start getting information about the new build. No point in speculating about stuff we have no information on.
