IGN's 12 Days of DOA5
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Pupi18
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DOA 4 was super broken in tons of aspects including her in some areas. To me it sounds more that she is better but you need to learn the proper techniques in order to exploit her potential. Obviously the stance negatives aside she seems to work pretty well and she has some good sit up stuns that should be interesting to work with and good High/Mid/Low exchanges. We need to see how she works when the game is out but the weakest so far seems to be La Mariposa.
DontForkWitMe
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i don't like how it seems a characters worth in this game is based primarily on the amount of hits it takes for them to critical burst and if they cant cb in 3 hits or less they are forced to play doa4's retarded stun game. are there no other methods, tactics, abilities that don't revolve around the stun game that characters can take advantage of without relying on cb to be viable? if not then this game is shaping up to be trash and will be downgraded to rental for me, not plopping down 60 after 7years for a leon-less DOA4.5
BierKlauMeister
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I dont think she sounds weaker that in DOA4... just because of her ability to whiff punish with a sit down stun, which she is able to link to another sit down stun. Just that makes her pretty solid, add in the ability of she being able to CB in 3 hits and we got a solid character.
The nerf to 2f+kk is stupid, but not important... any halb decent kokoro player knows to only use 2f+k as a crush move... which means itll hit on counter hit and it will stun... loosing the stun out of normal hit doesnt matter if you actually know what youre doing with her.
The nerf to 2f+kk is stupid, but not important... any halb decent kokoro player knows to only use 2f+k as a crush move... which means itll hit on counter hit and it will stun... loosing the stun out of normal hit doesnt matter if you actually know what youre doing with her.
Pupi18
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if it does change, it should be 3 stuns minimum. Not 2. Gotta give the opponent some sort of chance before he gets raped. I declare a 3 strikes and you're out rule regarding stuns.
3 strikes to death is two more strikes than is necessary in any other fighter. I don't understand why people seem to think they need more of a chance to get out of a bad situation that they were responsible for causing in the first place.
Honestly, 2 is more than reasonable for a lot of the cast... especially slower characters who have more trouble getting the initial stun.
DrDogg
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Let me just say that I'm enjoying the game at the moment. The characters that do not rely on the stun system are AMAZING! The game feels very good when playing as those characters.
But then you fight against, or pick a character who doesn't have a way around the stun game, it feels like you're playing DOA4. When Hayate or La Mariposa is played, it's like a DOA4 match. You really can't tell the difference. But when it's Bass against Christie it's nothing by frame traps and evasion. The stun system is an afterthought.
It's very much character dependent now. Some characters ignore a good portion of the stun game (Bass), while others are forced to play DOA4 (Hayate). If Hayate could CB in 3 hits, he'd be much better.
Watch the match videos on Wed, Thurs and Fri. You'll see that I almost never go for CB with the characters I play.
"Cheap" is what the casuals called it because of the NH stun properties. The way it is now is the way it should be. It forces people to learn how to really play the character.
You missed the most important part of the article. She can whiff punish with a safe attack that puts the opponent in a sit-down stun on NH or CH, which can be followed up by another guaranteed sit-down stun, into a guaranteed launch or CB (depending on the setup). You don't need a NH stun 2F+K, or a better stance with those kind of tools.
This is true, but what happens is that the characters that have to use the stun game (Hayate) are lower tier than the characters who don't (Bass). If Hayate could CB in 3 hits, he'd be right up there with Bass who doesn't care about CB.
I'd say she's mid-tier. A solid mid-tier, but still mid-tier.
Not sure what you think the "faint" stun is, but Kokoro does not have one.
If you played me, you would think differently. Sidesteps rule this game. Period.
But then you fight against, or pick a character who doesn't have a way around the stun game, it feels like you're playing DOA4. When Hayate or La Mariposa is played, it's like a DOA4 match. You really can't tell the difference. But when it's Bass against Christie it's nothing by frame traps and evasion. The stun system is an afterthought.
It's very much character dependent now. Some characters ignore a good portion of the stun game (Bass), while others are forced to play DOA4 (Hayate). If Hayate could CB in 3 hits, he'd be much better.
Watch the match videos on Wed, Thurs and Fri. You'll see that I almost never go for CB with the characters I play.
"Cheap" is what the casuals called it because of the NH stun properties. The way it is now is the way it should be. It forces people to learn how to really play the character.
You missed the most important part of the article. She can whiff punish with a safe attack that puts the opponent in a sit-down stun on NH or CH, which can be followed up by another guaranteed sit-down stun, into a guaranteed launch or CB (depending on the setup). You don't need a NH stun 2F+K, or a better stance with those kind of tools.
This is true, but what happens is that the characters that have to use the stun game (Hayate) are lower tier than the characters who don't (Bass). If Hayate could CB in 3 hits, he'd be right up there with Bass who doesn't care about CB.
I'd say she's mid-tier. A solid mid-tier, but still mid-tier.
Not sure what you think the "faint" stun is, but Kokoro does not have one.
If you played me, you would think differently. Sidesteps rule this game. Period.
Sagittarius
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That's a major problem, then. Why would a universal game tool only be beneficial to certain characters? Especially one that reaps such great rewards. That's like if only certain characters could properly hold, it's just stupid.
I definitely support CB needing to be able to come out in no more than 3 hits for everyone in the cast. Otherwise the mechanic itself will hardly be used, and the same will be said for certain characters that will be automatically bumped down to lower tiers simply because they can't properly utilize it.
Omegan Eckhart
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I'm actually starting to get worried about how Helena turns out. I was fairly confident that she would be good but if the game engine has changed as much as it seems she might end up sucking.
Couldn't be worse than than her previous incarnations though.
Couldn't be worse than than her previous incarnations though.
onelasttime
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I worried about the exact same things. Here's hoping everything goes well. I'll be fucking pissed...
I hope we don't have to unlock Helena through like story/chronicle. I hope we start out as her or something because that was frustrating in DOA4.
Whenever I would make a new account I wouldn't have the patience to complete all the story modes and have to sit through all the endings.
That's truly what turned me into a KasumI/Ayane player....
It was ridiculous.
onelasttime
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Is Helena going to be in round 2?
onelasttime
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Thought people had already found out...I don't know, I'm not the creator of the game/demo
My baddd
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