Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.

Ban her

  • Yes

    Votes: 108 55.7%
  • No

    Votes: 86 44.3%

  • Total voters
    194
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KidArk

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Are you people to busy to hooligan gang rush, in order answer why the heck we should ban things from 1.10, which we know close to nothing about at present?

Why ban now? Any decent technocrat would understand the irrationality of not postponing such an arrangement. What is the rush?

Well there's a big 8,000 dollar tournament comming up and with the tournament only 10 days after the release of the game people want to stir up consensus now. There's no way that even if the polls close we're definitely banning Alpha now. We're just talking , the owners of FSD aren't going to run and cry to anyone about alpha yet(I strongly believe but could be wrong). But alpha has been pretty bad since doa 5 started it's not like this is a new thing, we've dealt with her for a while and after reading only buffs not nerfs so far you can only assume the already oh so annoying character has become even more so. I'm positive no banning will occur yet even if the polls went 1000 ~ 3 we'd still have alpha until at least we see her complete frames.
 
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Zeo

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...Holy crap what did I just read through? 7 pages of this... I come to this topic expecting whining and a bunch of bull being spouted and it was definitely there but certainly not what I expected.

Ok.. first off.

Also ban Akira. I don't know his match up well and he seems too powerful.
No. I can SERIOUSLY go into depth on why that's a load of bull. At that point just ban all the VF characters.

Now I'll say in my own experience that Alpha has never been a huge problem, hold her, knock her down and pressure her once she's on the ground. Wake up parry? ok grab, wakeup mashing? Better not cause I have advantage. Or I can get cute and throw a low out. If she's at a wall then she's screwed but see... after reading through everything everyone's said I had to consider these things.

- She may lack wakeup kicks and be fairly bad on defense but it's not nearly a tradeoff for how ridiculous her offense really is.

- 9 frame jab so she's one of the fastest characters, great stuns, endless strings, the most powerful standing AND crouching throws in the game, three, THREE CBs, a safe get off me move (7K) and now she's getting a buff covering one of the aspects of her defense which is supposedly supposed to be her "weakpoint". Oh and offensive holds that cover half the screen and can't be sidestepped while we're at it.

So let me get this straight. She's got better damage than Akira, Bass and Bayman, better vortexes than Sarah and Christie, better OH's than Lei and just about every other grappler. And she's one of the fastest characters in the game. And this is compensated... by the fact that she doesn't have wakeup kicks and struggles at a wall?

Ok.

1. EVERYONE struggles at the wall, and guess what Alpha has a sidestep just like everyone else. What separates her however is her holds and parries which completely reverse the situation and put YOU at the wall instead.

2. Yeah she doesn't have wakeup kicks and you get a good bit of pressure once you knock her down, problem is there's no reliable way to keep pressure. You grab she might mash, you use a mid or high she might parry, you use a low she might crush it. And once it returns to the neutral game (and it WILL return to the neutral game) she's back to having the advantage 90% of the time. Difference being, you don't have nearly as many options against her on defense. Her options basically lock you down and there's no safe way to deal with what she has.

I've never had trouble against any Alpha except XCal (and you still have to account for online + lag) but I can see what a character like this can potentially do in the right hands once she's really been mastered. And once people really pay attention and begin to take advantage of her tools I could see her being the best character in the game by a long shot.

Now as you know 5U she appears to be mostly getting buffs which is insane. I've always been one to say wait and see. Waiting until 5U drops to see what she can really do and give the verdict after she's been broken down but it's a tough call and a week isn't enough time to evaluate her before TFC... It's a really tough call... but...

...

*sigh*

Ban her.
 
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People are literally panicking over Alpha and the game isn't even out..... SMMFH.
Well it doesn't matter because Zack is God Tier now..... Zack will win all majors from now on.
 

Crext

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Well there's a big 8,000 dollar tournament comming up and with the tournament only 7 days after the release of the game people want to stir up consensus now.

Well, if that agenda is so obvious, then it would be outright stupidity to vote yes in this poll. Personal agenda of eliminating the competition before the race has begun... I think we saw this in Star Wars I, when Sebulba sabotaged Skywalkers Pod Racer.
 

Brute

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Well, if that agenda is so obvious, then it would be outright stupidity to vote yes in this poll. Personal agenda of eliminating the competition before the race has begun... I think we saw this in Star Wars I when Sebulba sabotaged Skywalkers Pod Racer.
lmao

I'm still convinced that Mars Guo would have won if Sebulba didn't toss that junk in his engine.
 

Prince Adon

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I voted Yes. I agree this is a big decision, but for competitive play I am willing to bank on that.

The thing about Alpha you can't tell how good she is just by watching her play. I mean she looks so fucking stupid(literally) you could never guess this character was good. That is pretty much the problem. She is so stupid and scrubby that the shit she do should not be, or work the way it does. At the end of the day you feel stupid rather you win or lose against Alpha. Doesn't feel like any intelligence were involved in that match up whatsoever. That is how stupid she is.

See let's be real most of the DOA community do not understand DOA. That goes for most of the Alpha players(if not all). Of course Alpha players are not going to see what is wrong with Alpha. When you mix in her being your favorite character of choice more bias is added. I don't see any Alpha players going to tournaments as well.

Alpha is one of those characters who just need to stun you to win. The thing is it's not difficult for her to stun you, and once she does she has a confident mix up that guaranteed her damage no matter what the case scenario is. You really have no logical way to get out of it and there is nothing good about the way this is designed. This has been explained all through the topic from what I read and people still doesn't get it.

Like said before no one is saying that she is broken she is just fucking stupid.
 

Blackburry

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You do understand it's a temporary tournament ban right? Will it take Chris G mashing to win for you to realize that people just want this tournament to be fun and fair ?

Chris G does not have a knack for 3D games and will not be doing anything at TFC if he decides to pick up the game. No one that doesn't actually play DOA will honestly. It isn't that type of game since it is so fundamentally different from other fighters. No one is gonna be able to be successful in the game if they just try to pick it up out of no where and try to win some money.

People are literally panicking over Alpha and the game isn't even out..... SMMFH.
Well it doesn't matter because Zack is God Tier now..... Zack will win all majors from now on.

Fool she has been out for a year! Her character design has NOT changed in 5U. She's still as mashy as ever.

#mashycanofjelloshit
 

Kronin

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With all due respect, everyone is getting buffed/changed, and there are balancing all over the place. As a Hitomi player in 1.03, (with a tremendous change in move sets for 1.10) and probably Ein player in 1.10, I have no way of telling one way or another from that standpoint.

And we are talking 1.10 here, not 1.03 (though from my experience Hitomi outplays Alpha 152 somewhat in 1.03).

If the other characters don't have any answers, then fine, we may discuss a ban. However, before we know the complete system it is accusations without proof. In my opinion this discussion should be held in 1 month and not now.

I'm not able to vote because I'm not an high/tournament player of DoA and Alpha, anyway I agree with Crext. At this time, the discussion and the verdict should be based on the effective changes and way to play Alpha inside DoA5U, that with its changes could appear more than a simple update of the mechanics from DoA5. This doesn't necessarily mean that will change the current opinion of the players toward the character, but surelly will allow a more correct opinion about the decision to take (at least until the next patch).

@Crext: The similitude with Sebulba was awesome! XD
 

TRI Mike

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If the problem with Alpha is that she can take 60% with a stun if you don't hold and with a throw if you do hold then we should also ban Tina because this is exactly what she's been doing since DOA1 and she seems to excel at it in DOA5.

I voted no. One of the only things that makes me proud to be a DOA player is that we don't need to ban shit, we've never had to even in DOA2 (Tengu). Banning Alpha is an extremely cowardly way for the already small group of high-level players to keep winning tourneys they'd win anyway with her available. Which is exactly what has been happening since launch.

If Alpha starts winning tournaments consistently and there doesn't seem to be a way to stop her in practice and people see it in streams like it happened in SF4 vanilla with... Sagat it was¿ then we could CONSIDER it. But right now¿ fuck no.
 

Pictured Mind

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Let me just copy and paste something because I'm lazy like a little baby.

I don't know about Alpha. I don't like how much damage her throws do anymore. At first it was great to do 149 points of damage on HC, but I don't feel like I deserve to do that much damage from just one move that doesn't even require much of you. Of course, there will always be skilled players who don't let you get that high counter, but the fact that it is possible annoys me. I just don't feel like I learn much from Alpha's high damage. I hope she gets changed in a way that makes me feel like I do get better by using Alpha.

So I'm not voting. I have used her before, stopped using her, still like her. I know that she is, like everyone says "OP" and I don't care if she gets banned.
 
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I don't see no problem with Alpha. All she does is PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
 

TRI Mike

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She's B tier in that other thread we've all been talking on for a year but now she needs to be banned. Please.
 

Prince Adon

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If the problem with Alpha is that she can take 60% with a stun if you don't hold and with a throw if you do hold then we should also ban Tina because this is exactly what she's been doing since DOA1 and she seems to excel at it in DOA5.

You're comparing Tina to Alpha? Really? REALLY? Really? Tina is hella slow and has to work for stun compared to Alpha and even then she doesn't have a "stupid" mix up game. Also FYI Tengu WAS banned in DOA2.
 

Koompbala

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Considering work keeps me really busy whether Alpha is banned, or not does not affect me at all. Despite the fact I got no time for tournies I'm in support of her ban. The reason being is I don't think her mashy play style makes the game look any better to spectators. This game got a rep of being mashy I don't think Alpha in tournies helps that image.

Ban her before lopedo gets put in losers by her again.:)
 
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