Julius Rage
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No avatar lobbies.
Doa4 lobbies are never coming back so take the lobby system from U and prop it up with the ranking system from 4.
Level of competition online is at an all times series low.
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No avatar lobbies.
Doa4 lobbies are never coming back so take the lobby system from U and prop it up with the ranking system from 4.
The online pass implementation crippled the online community. There was no need for an online pass given that the game uses a peer to peer connection between players. EA just realized that they have been shooting themselves in the foot with online passes by effectively missing out on DLC transactions and slowly killing their online communities and they've decided that they will no longer require them, Tecmo-Koei needs to follow suit if they're serious about making money from (real) DLC sales and keeping the online community strong.
synce
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A million fucking times this. I still remember how lively DOA5 was during the first week, and how quickly it died out after people's online trial expired. I'm happy to hear that at least EA realized how stupid online passes are
FakeSypha
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TTT2 has an online pass too, right? How 'alive' is the online by now?
I don't think the online pass played a big role in how 'dead' the online is for DOA5. If anything there are several reasons/factors involved.
P.S. Oh, and yeah online passes are shit, but don't go praising EA. Just wait and see.
I don't think the online pass played a big role in how 'dead' the online is for DOA5. If anything there are several reasons/factors involved.
P.S. Oh, and yeah online passes are shit, but don't go praising EA. Just wait and see.
Julius Rage
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Bad netcode plus an already skeptical collection of early adopters looking for reasons not to like it are to blame.
Bad net code
Balance issues
Limited online options
Limited offline modes
Negative stigma
Plus it had a high trade in value at the beginning so that was a factor.
Ultimate will do better if they stop being stupid and get their games into Redbox - like, 2 copies pre system pre box.
Bad net code
Balance issues
Limited online options
Limited offline modes
Negative stigma
Plus it had a high trade in value at the beginning so that was a factor.
Ultimate will do better if they stop being stupid and get their games into Redbox - like, 2 copies pre system pre box.
I'm going to agree with this. I doubt the online pass made much of a difference.
FakeSypha said:
Whatever the case the next Xbox has been confirmed to have a multiple ways to molest people who want to trade, sell, borrow, or buy used games. If Team Ninja wants to stay relevant (on Xbox One) and not give their PR team nightmares and headaches, they would be wise to coerce Tecmo-Koei do away with the online passes.
P.S., EA only backed out of doing online passes because they intend to make money selling games on the Xbox One. Hence the Xbox One will rape any and all who buy used games EA backed out to avoid having to deal with more scrutiny than they could handle. Imagine Xbox One owners buying a used game, paying for an Xbox Live or whatever subscription, paying M$ to use it, and paying EA for an online pass for 60% of a game that has the rest available as paid DLC? Whatever face they were attempting to save with their top level shakeups would be lost in an instant.
Regarding your take on TTT2 not having a dead online community with an online pass implemented, my response is but of course, TTT2 has a fanbase that is a lot larger than DOA's hence's it's to be expected. Nonetheless it further iterates my point that online pass implementation on DOA5 killed the online scene. With DOA4 anyone with an Xbox Live subscription could pick up a used copy and hop online with no problems, hence why it's community lasted for so long as players who were new to it could jump right in; it has nothing to do with whether a particular person likes the game or not.
Team Ninja needs to coerce Tecmo Koei to lose the online pass requirement understanding that the game could attract new blood who are scared to pay full price for it, they would have the online community stay strong, and gain money from DLC purchases that wouldm't have gotten otherwise.
Julius Rage
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Gamestop does adjust prices to take into account online passes, so I'm not sure that's really an issue.
Julius Rage said:
How come when I go in to buy a used copy of a game a week or so after release I find it listed at $55 (the same price I can buy it for used anywhere else) then? For reference, a used DOA5 copy is going for ~$20 on eBay, ~$18 on Amazon, $25 at Best Buy, and $25 at GameFly. Game$top has it for $20 and whether the online pass will be intact is a huge maybe, that doesn't show an online pass being factored in to me.
Julius Rage
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But
How much is it new?
How much is it new?
Julius Rage
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On every game with an online pass the price is offset by that amount and is still less than it is new.
So you're probably right in this case but this might simply be a situation where information isn't being related to the right people.
Still, Tekken is more used + the pass and is more new too. Passes aren't much.of an issue.
Julius Rage said:
I don't know where you're getting these ideas from from but I do know that the price of game at a particular point in time is determined by what the market is asking for it. Anyway take a look here.
As you can see, GameStop charges $40 for a new copy of NBA 2K13 and $38 for a used copy. GameStop does not factor in online passes with used game prices, they only factor in the condition of the game (used) because you can't sell something new for the same price as it is used, and you and I both know that $40 is a better deal than $49 (with online pass) for NBA 2K13.
GameStop does not factor in online passes with used game prices, end of story.
Julius Rage
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2k13 doesn't have an online pass.
Julius Rage
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But the game is 20 new which is less than Tekken, bbcsex And persona.
Online passes aren't the issue here and as soon as it's brought to Gamestop the price will be lowered.
Julius Rage said:
You still haven't addressed why gamestop sells DOA5 used for the same price as they sell it new ($20). Battlefield 3 on Xbox 360 cost $20 new and $18 used and yes it does require an online pass. I don't know if you are aware of it or not based on the dialogue we've been having but online passes cost $10 ($9.99, what's a penny). With B3 costing on $2 less for used copy than a new copy you can clearly see that the price of the online pass was not factored in, because if it was then the price for a used copy of Battlefield 3 would cost $10 (and a used DOA5 copy would cost $10 as well). I'm not seeing how you're missing this, are you assuming that GameStop charges people $10 for online pass when the vast majority of used games with online play have codes that have be used already and can be used no longer? For reference, the price for a used copy of game that did not require an online pass (NBA 2K13) was $2 less, and the price for a used copy of a game that does require an online pass (B3) was $2 less, thus your claim that GameStop factors in the cost of online passes on their used game sales is invalid.
Julius Rage
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Ea pulled all online passes, so all that stuff is free now.
And prices reflect that.
And prices reflect that.