synce
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At this point I think it's silly to expect buffs in a DOA game. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they nerf Rachel before TFC while they're working on the ranked match issue
Rachel General Discussion
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At this point I think it's silly to expect buffs in a DOA game. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they nerf Rachel before TFC while they're working on the ranked match issue
*cough* Hayate *cough*
Cylith
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Honestly, I've been using Ein to beat her. He can go blow for blow for relatively the same damage. Also, some of her combos have a large enough time in between to dodge and punish. Such as: 
Before the kick, you can dodge for a stun and then continue to mix-up or go for combo.
Hope this helps people.
Before the kick, you can dodge for a stun and then continue to mix-up or go for combo. Hope this helps people.
DR2K
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She's relativity one of the slowest characters in the game. Lacks good crushes. So she's a grappler with a good pick up game.
Her high and mid aren't that slow, especially for a grappler. Her low is pretty slow, but she doesn't really need it when she still has a nice and fast OT and a solid mid/throw game.
RubinRoon
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I dont know all the frame data from doa5u, because i dont own the game yet, but at least in doa5 tina`s jab was 11f and her fastest, non BT mid 13f. She is a grappler, as well, even more throw focused than rachel.
If your fastest attack is an 11f high, then I would consider that to be slow.
From what I hear Rachel makes up for that with frame advantage off of gb and lows? Tina has nice crushes to compensate.
It sounds like the best way to beat her is rush her down and not let her breathe, which is difficult with a slow character like leon, bayman, bass, tina etc etc. So I guess just counterpick her with Kasumi/Christie?
Rubedood
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Ayane's probably gonna be her worst matchup, since she can avoid all of Rachel's pressure, and play the spacing game all day, and not take any risks.
She's got a 17f OH, so her pressure is kinda messed up.
ninjaguy446
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Lol I love how Rubedood is trying so hard to get Ayane mentioned as a bad matchup but everyone is ignoring him.
Omegan Eckhart
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Helena: Jab i11 Mid i12 Low i14
Rachel: Jab i11 Mid i13 Low i14
Why is a heavy weight this fast?
She not only has lots of frame advantage on block but she has lows that rival the VF characters, 2P being +1, fast in string lows that are +5 on NH, better OH's than the grappler's have and a godly FT game.
If her pokes were i12/i14/i15 for example I'd understand her having so much frame advantage in general but why are her pokes the same as a mid weight character when she is a heavy weight striker?
MasterHavik
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A nice little video that Ain posted on his youtube channel. Those air throws are too sexy for their own good.
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Rachel is a demon, thats why. She can tap into her powers meaning superhuman strength, speed, etc. It makes perfect sense...
And Ryu can canonically do the equivalent of a 5 frame attack.
But for gameplay reasons, this kinda junk makes no sense.
RubinRoon
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Is it true that Rachel is a very stiff character with very poor/ no crushes? That would, at least, explain why she gets frame advantage and slow moves (not extremely slow, but still slow). Does her OH guarantee anything or is it a 50/50? Is it more disgusting than the Dragon Gunner?
About Helena; doesnt she make up for her lack of a fast jab by not having to deal with jabs to begin with? She also is a midweight, isnt she?
DR2K
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Seems slow to me, she lacks a lot of the tools Helena has like crushes, evasion, etc...
Jann has the best oh in the game and he's not even a grappler
MasterHavik
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Even with the dragon gunner nerf?
It's hardly nerfed.
That said, I don't consider it the best OH in the game.
Ah man it makes me so mad lol. Since I can't find any opponents in singles on PSN, I switched to tag repping Tina and Leon. I'm in my 20 something match as a streak cuz I haven't lost anything, and the match I ALMOST lost coming down to the wire was against an Alpha and Rachel combo. Surprise Surprise.