MasterHavik
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what? i want this offline...
Something I'd like people to start testing...
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MasterHavik
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bs man what is the point then if online doesn't matter?
Like I said... the smaller life settings were intended to teach players to make less mistakes and put the fear of getting punished in them. Just think of how many less mistakes you could make on the tournament settings of normal health by respecting the matchups on the casual settings of smaller health, and it'll make sense.
Personally, I'll adapt to whatever. But if normal health is the way to go for most players, then I'm all for that.
MasterHavik
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um...i get it now.
TRI Mike
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I just played like 4 hours offline in smallest. The game simply feels right, I like it more this way. I even won more with Helena and when I got something right with Tina the damage was satisfying. At the same time Bayman and Bass are more scary but I feel forced to block and sidestep more to avoid their stuff. It just feels OK to play in smallest. So I'm all for it.
Smithy
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i guess i'll post my opinion on this, although i suspect it'll be an unpopular one. my stance is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. the game is fine with default settings - there's no need to tamper with it. in fact, the reaction i've gotten from competitive fighting game players who don't play doa is that the damage on normal life is unusually high for a 3d game.
what's more, the people we want to show up at tournaments are people who are playing the game casually at home. these are people who don't go to freestepdodge, or any other fighting game website for that matter. i wouldn't want those people to come to a tournament for the first time and feel alienated because the people at the tournament are playing the game with different settings than what they're used to at home. it's difficult enough to transition from casual play to competitive play without extra hurdles being placed in the way. i'm not saying these people will definitely be alienated, but it is possible, and that possibility means that it's simply not worth taking the risk, especially given how small the community is - we need every player we can get, and everything else is unimportant by comparison. maybe smallest life is better, maybe it's not, but either way, messing with the life setting will not grow the community, and there's a chance that it might actually slow that growth.
this isn't the first time the doa community has had a debate concerning the prudence of making the game at the tournament different than the game casual players are used to at home. in the doa3 days, the community decided that 3.1/3.2 were better than 3.0, and as a result, switched over to those games. i know i'm in the minority on this, but i believe that this was a mistake. the 3.1/3.2 community went nowhere, due in part to the fact that casual players played 3.0 (if they played any version of doa3), and showing up at a tournament to find that the doa players were playing something different than what they were used to simply wasn't palatable to most players. ultimately, it didn't matter which version of doa3 was best, because by and large, people didn't play any version of doa3, and the fracturing of the already tiny doa3 community contributed to how barren the scene was. we're now faced with a similar situation - unfortunately, there aren't a lot of people playing doa5 at tournaments right now. anything that could deter people from joining the scene just isn't worth the risk, whether it would make the game more appealing for those already playing it or not. we already find the game appealing enough to play; the focus of the community needs to be making the game as appealing as possible for new players.
part of the reason esports are so popular all over the world is that no matter which country you come from, no matter what language you speak, and no matter how skilled or unskilled you are, everybody plays the same game on the same settings. when every player is playing the same game, it transcends cultural and competitive barriers and allows people to connect through a common interest. that connection is the foundation of any gaming community, and nothing is worth potentially putting a strain on the connection. just my 2 cents.
what's more, the people we want to show up at tournaments are people who are playing the game casually at home. these are people who don't go to freestepdodge, or any other fighting game website for that matter. i wouldn't want those people to come to a tournament for the first time and feel alienated because the people at the tournament are playing the game with different settings than what they're used to at home. it's difficult enough to transition from casual play to competitive play without extra hurdles being placed in the way. i'm not saying these people will definitely be alienated, but it is possible, and that possibility means that it's simply not worth taking the risk, especially given how small the community is - we need every player we can get, and everything else is unimportant by comparison. maybe smallest life is better, maybe it's not, but either way, messing with the life setting will not grow the community, and there's a chance that it might actually slow that growth.
this isn't the first time the doa community has had a debate concerning the prudence of making the game at the tournament different than the game casual players are used to at home. in the doa3 days, the community decided that 3.1/3.2 were better than 3.0, and as a result, switched over to those games. i know i'm in the minority on this, but i believe that this was a mistake. the 3.1/3.2 community went nowhere, due in part to the fact that casual players played 3.0 (if they played any version of doa3), and showing up at a tournament to find that the doa players were playing something different than what they were used to simply wasn't palatable to most players. ultimately, it didn't matter which version of doa3 was best, because by and large, people didn't play any version of doa3, and the fracturing of the already tiny doa3 community contributed to how barren the scene was. we're now faced with a similar situation - unfortunately, there aren't a lot of people playing doa5 at tournaments right now. anything that could deter people from joining the scene just isn't worth the risk, whether it would make the game more appealing for those already playing it or not. we already find the game appealing enough to play; the focus of the community needs to be making the game as appealing as possible for new players.
part of the reason esports are so popular all over the world is that no matter which country you come from, no matter what language you speak, and no matter how skilled or unskilled you are, everybody plays the same game on the same settings. when every player is playing the same game, it transcends cultural and competitive barriers and allows people to connect through a common interest. that connection is the foundation of any gaming community, and nothing is worth potentially putting a strain on the connection. just my 2 cents.
Rikuto
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That was all a very moving story Smithy, however
After having to say this around fifty or so times last night in the competitive facebook group to an incredibly airheaded Carl who wouldn't stop trying to shove words down my throat as to my intentions regarding this, I feel the need to remind everyone about this.... AGAIN.
I'm not opting to change the standard. I'm just trying to get people to try something new and, as far as I see it, better. The DOA community has made it very clear that most of them are too scared to actually have to pay for their mistakes in a fighting game. I'm not going to try and move any of these kids towards puberty who don't want to. Let them hit (or miss) that on their own.
After having to say this around fifty or so times last night in the competitive facebook group to an incredibly airheaded Carl who wouldn't stop trying to shove words down my throat as to my intentions regarding this, I feel the need to remind everyone about this.... AGAIN.
I'm not opting to change the standard. I'm just trying to get people to try something new and, as far as I see it, better. The DOA community has made it very clear that most of them are too scared to actually have to pay for their mistakes in a fighting game. I'm not going to try and move any of these kids towards puberty who don't want to. Let them hit (or miss) that on their own.
Smithy
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fair enough. i posted this because i saw on the bar battles thread that hubbs and mr. wah were considering using the smallest life setting for that tournament - so at the very least, it's something that's being tossed around with regard to possibly changing tournament rules in the near future, and i wanted to voice my opinion on that aspect of the discussion.
Something-Unique
Active Member
Why even try to get people to try this new thing you speak of when what's there already works. Also people have provided strong arguments for the growth of the actual game (turnouts).
I re-quote what you wrote above just for emphasis "The DOA community has made it very clear that most of then are too scared to actually have to pay for their mistakes in a fighting game"
Not only is this a silly comment it also reeks of ignorance. Your basically saying anyone who doesn't like the smallest health setting are in the "chicken shit" minority you speak of. To top it off your argument is also retarded because you do pay for mistakes in the current default setting. Anytime you lose to someone you pay for your mistakes. The same can be said for any fighting game as the better player always wins provided there is a standard that everyone is long prepared for. The real problem is that its just not to YOUR OWN PERSONAL LIKING. The rest of your post just goes deeper into immature territory while you contradict yourself.
Normally I wouldn't even respond like this because i'm not DOA bound so I don't care enough but between this thread, the other one, and facebook all your arguments seem extremely SELF SERVING regardless of the better arguments that have been provided against you.
Rikuto
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So some people can have actual fun playing the game.
Yup. You got me. I think less of people who run from a realistic challenge. Call it a personality quirk, or call it me being ignorant. If you prefer the easier road, I still think less of you. You'll just have to deal with it.
Something-Unique
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Damn I never pictured you as the kind of guy your coming off as. News flash though whether or not you think less of me holds no weight. I just wanted clarification on your ignorance is all. Also I don't have to deal with anything because as far as I know normal is still the standard while you do whatever it is your trying to do. If you were smart you'd be worrying more about the life of your actual game of choice.
Rikuto
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I KNOW RIGHT!? You think you know someone.... until they call you out on your belligerent attempt at strong arming and make you look like an asshole.
Look Unique, I'm a simple guy. I respect those who thirst for a challenge. You clearly don't, and to make matters worse you're trying to hold credentials over my head that mean literally nothing to me. I mean I could probably show you how worthless they are in five minutes. Deep down I think you know this and you want to avoid that scenario because there's a strong chance it would end badly for you.
So what more do we have to say to each other? You don't like that I'm encouraging people to play the game a different way? Fine. It's not really any of your business at all, but whatever. Your E-rage is noted. You don't like that I think less of you than you like to think of yourself? Fine. I still think that without any practice at all I could probably wreck you in SCV.
I'm sorry I shattered your vision of Gentleman Rikuto. I really did do my best to be as likeable as my Hugh Laurie avatar, but alas, sometimes my ability to kick literally everyone's ass around me starts to resurface and I'm reminded that for some reason I am defending myself against someone I probably need to be talking down to.
ScattereDreams
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People are still talking to each other like we're in grammar school?
Something-Unique
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I have no credentials in DOA. I haven't entered a single tournament for the franchise so I definitely have none. Yet you make it sound as if i'm trying to hold one over your head. NEC this year will be my first DOA tournament ever. That's where my credentials would actually start. Hopefully it will be significantly more than an 8 man tournament so on the off chance I win there would even be something to brag about.
Also if i'm gonna be apart of your community. You know, the kind that actually supports your tournament turnout so its more than an 8 man (your last major was 4 which 3 of them were international) then this topic is a part of my business. Lastly I have no E-rage. Read the tone of your posts and mine and there is a clear difference
I'll repeat it one final time as well so you don't recycle your post. I don't care what you think of me. I have a background way more respected than yours when it comes to Fighting Games as this is what the conversation is about.
Also good for you thinking you could beat me in SC5. I'm proud of you sir but I don't even need to go down that road as you would be the only one.
I'll stop here though as I clearly understand who you are now though. No need to proceed.
Rikuto
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Swing and miss. You haven't even touched the surface yet.
When I send the fruit basket up to your room as a consolation for losing, you'll be even more confused. Never mind the fact that it may come with poetry.
Come on guys. put your balls back into your pants. This is not that serious and is just a thread to gauge some opinions. There are some good reasons not to use it...like Smithy's community fragmenting post, and good reasons to use it..ie making match evaluation more important. At the end of the day, the most important matter that needs our attention is community offline support. Without it we have nothing to even argue about.