MasterHavik
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former what?
Sony All-Stars Battle Royale
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DyByHands
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Maybe someone here can clear something up for me... Didn't some old school Team NINJA members work on that game? Or was I believing internet BS at the time?... Still enjoyed that game though.
Game Over
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He was being snide and "correcting" a typo in your post.
d3v is saying that EVO organizers are looking to give PS All-Stars a big push, and it is MORE likely to appear on the main stage of EVO next year than Smash is.
MasterHavik
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Oh okay.
And yeah EVO is pushing the game, which is shocking. they don't do that often.
Mailifang
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Sadly I feel this game is gonna suck on so many levels.But because Sony is reving up the hype on this game and geting EVO to buy into it, its going to sale well.People are going to play it because EVO is backing it but in actuality the game from a production stand point just blows. I'm not fond of smash bros or any type of brawler/party/fighting hybrid type of games. If Playstation Allstars gets more support than DOA5 does then the FGC is a bunch of mindless sheep that only plays whats popular or told what to play.Hell if Playstation All stars gets more support than Skullgirls the FGC still looks sad.
MasterHavik
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Dude...we already are consider mindless sheep look at all the Capcom players. they'll play a different non-Capcom game for two weeks, and it's back to AE/Marvel. And when ask why they don't play anymore, they could with BS reasons on why they quit the game. But Sony all stars is just like P4A in a few ways. Both game are taking a shot at a new genre and are trying to make it big.
Mailifang
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Sony allastars is no way comparable P4A.
*P4A was developed by a company that is known for making fighting games.P4A is not adding anything new to the genre. Its just an easier to play BlazBlue with Persona characters
*Playstation All stars is a Smash Bros rip off being developed by a company that does not make fighting games.
Sony is just trying to capitalize on the popularity of fighting games before the Capcom kills the popularity by saturating the market with more fighting games. Sony is really pushing this game by hiring reputable people in the FGC to over see the games development. But all this is, is just smoke and mirrors. This game is going to be mediocre but its going to be marketed extremely well.It will also be supported by EVO to the point the more gullible minded players will play it because its the popular thing to do and others are playing it.
*P4A was developed by a company that is known for making fighting games.P4A is not adding anything new to the genre. Its just an easier to play BlazBlue with Persona characters
*Playstation All stars is a Smash Bros rip off being developed by a company that does not make fighting games.
Sony is just trying to capitalize on the popularity of fighting games before the Capcom kills the popularity by saturating the market with more fighting games. Sony is really pushing this game by hiring reputable people in the FGC to over see the games development. But all this is, is just smoke and mirrors. This game is going to be mediocre but its going to be marketed extremely well.It will also be supported by EVO to the point the more gullible minded players will play it because its the popular thing to do and others are playing it.
MasterHavik
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A company that makes fighting games where it took them three times to properly balance the game correctly, because every BB game before EX had one of two characters dominating.(CT: V-13, Arakune, Rachel. CS1: Bang Litchi. CS2: Noel and Makoto.).Giving uncalled for nerfs to Tager and others characters. Let's not forget the stupid Tager vs. Haz(CS1/2)/V-13(CT) BS. Also...if I recall EX isn't well like either because everyone feels every character in that game got nerf besides Tager. So yeah...Arc systems has a nasty track record of getting things right and have to constantly update their game. P4A is a cleaned up version of BB, it's what BB was suppose to be. And people are whining about Mitsuru at the moment. But did ya know that game has already been updated twice, even before it got release? That is a nasty habit with these guys they still haven't figure out how to control. BTW, I still love the game, but I know these guys better than you my friend. I been playing BB since CT. Now onto to your second point.
PS All stars is being made by a company that doesn't know how to make fighting games, BUT hired knowledge people in the field to help them with that. And yeah your opinion about their marketing tactics maybe true. Hell, I even agree with it, BUT the kicker here the game won't be okay/decent/mediocre/ it will be a cleaned up version of smash. Just like how P4A is a cleaned up version of BB. That is what the two games share my friend.
Edit: Btw..the whole piece about Capcom and such. I agree with you 100% on that.
Game Over
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Are you likely to have a negative opinion on a game in a genre you don't like?
That being said, it can also be said that the majority of gamers IN GENERAL are "mindless sheep" just going by how willing so many are to buy the same game over and over year after year (Madden, COD, etc.). If you want original and innovative new gaming experiences, then you have it tough because those games tend to undersell when made, which causes companies to be more and more reluctant to continue funding their development. If a game can't be made into a brainless pick-up-and-play shooter with big bright epic graphics and online multiplayer like the "top sellers", then it tends to not get much support. I mean, look at the direction games like Resident Evil and Dead Space are going, for example.
On occasion, some games can manage to be an exception to this trend, but it is the current trend nonetheless.
d3v
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Except that the guys who have final say over the gameplay, not just at SuperBot, but at Sony as well are Fighting Game guys. Outside of Clockw0rk, every important person on the design team from Omar, Maj, Ed all the way to Seth Killian at Sony are all from the FGC.
On a related note, SRK and most of the core FGC doesn't really have an issue with Smash or the genre. The biggest problem SRK has always had with Smash is the politics behind the game (backroom, etc.) and how it always required alot of modification before it was considered competitive.
MasterHavik
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MasterHavik
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Oh yeah...I know about the smash backroom. they're lazy as hell. They don't do anything. And yeah...the game of smash has to go through a lot of shit before it can betaken serious.
Mailifang
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Its true that I'm not fond of Smash Bros type games from a competitive stand point. But I still have and have played all the Smash Bros games. My only problem with these type of games is more on a philosophical level.Super Smash Bros as a series are well made games though.I just don't consider them on the same level with "Standard Traditional Fighting Games".Nor do I take the games as seriously as I do "Traditional Fighting Games". I do respect the Super Smash Bros community for creating a scene for it.But any large group of people passionate about anything can rally around and create a community around anything.
I agree with you but that is the state of the video game industry as of now. Even though during the last 6 or 7 yrs we still had a lot original and innovative titles come out. Sadly they have now become almost milked dry by the high number of sequels,prequels, or other side story games to bank off the series.
Mailifang
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I wasn't questioning or challenging your Arc Systems knowledge. I was just making a point. And no I didn't know about the numerous updates before the games release.That's a good thing because most companies don't take their time to fine tune their games.
Based on what I've seen Sony All stars just looks like a pathetic attempt by Sony to try to compete in the fighting game genre by not necessarily making a standard fighting game.Because Sony knows that they would fail at it. So Sony figures they could produce a game in a fighting game sub- genre that Nintendo has already perfected but not many have done a similar type of game. On a business level it makes sense. Sony fans are almost passionate and loyal as Nintendo fans. If the game looks decent and fun to play Sony fandom will buy it.
But Sony is definitely smart by trying to appeal to the competitive FGC in a attempt to quell any unnecessary backlash against the game before its release. The FGC is very vocal of what type of fighting games they prefer and anything other than what they are used to gets hated on. Which is one of the reasons why DOA as a series gets looked down upon. Even still DOA as a series is still successful even without the majority of the FGC's support.Sony's hiring Seth and Clockwork is just a part of trying to get FGC name recognition on board the project.
The game could be decent but I don't really care. Philosophically I tend to frown upon these type of games on a competitive level. Even a simple game like "Kick The Can" can be played competitively even though I don't see myself taking it that serious.
Game Over
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Saying Nintendo has "perfected" the platform fighter (or however you wanna call the Smash Bros genre) is like saying Capcom has "perfected" the 2D fighter, or Activision has "perfected" the third-person shooter, etc. No one has perfected games in ANY genre. Games, as an entertainment medium, can be seen as "works of art", and as such, have no real point of reference for a term like "perfection". If anything, perfection can be seen as a "glass ceiling", as something is only "perfect" until someone delivers something better.
In games, there is no perfection. There is merely styles, preferences, and fundamental standards. Once a game has a solid level of fundamental standards in place (for its genre), then that's when styles and preferences come into play. It is clear that you, Mailifang, have a preference for games outside of the "platform fighter" genre. Meaning you do not like games of this type. That's fine. But that does not mean that games of this type are not "good" just because YOU, personally, do not like them. Just like if someone who does not like fighting games says he does not like Street Fighter, it does not mean Street Fighter is a bad game.
IMO, since you seem to have such a negative perspective on this genre, you should save yourself the wasted time of commenting on this game, and just go on to playing (and discussing) games that you have a positive perspective on and ENJOY. Because if you continue on here the way you are going, you just make yourself into a troll, going out of his way to try to make a game he doesn't like look bad. All you're really doing is making yourself look bad.
In games, there is no perfection. There is merely styles, preferences, and fundamental standards. Once a game has a solid level of fundamental standards in place (for its genre), then that's when styles and preferences come into play. It is clear that you, Mailifang, have a preference for games outside of the "platform fighter" genre. Meaning you do not like games of this type. That's fine. But that does not mean that games of this type are not "good" just because YOU, personally, do not like them. Just like if someone who does not like fighting games says he does not like Street Fighter, it does not mean Street Fighter is a bad game.
IMO, since you seem to have such a negative perspective on this genre, you should save yourself the wasted time of commenting on this game, and just go on to playing (and discussing) games that you have a positive perspective on and ENJOY. Because if you continue on here the way you are going, you just make yourself into a troll, going out of his way to try to make a game he doesn't like look bad. All you're really doing is making yourself look bad.
d3v
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Seth and Omar demoing Raiden.
http://shoryuken.com/2012/08/29/pla...iden-demo-with-omar-kendell-and-seth-killian/
EDIT: @Mailifang
So the perfect "platform fighter" is one that needs to be modified to work competitively, allows people to die in random ways, allows random effects (Iol tripping) and is seriously imbalanced?
http://shoryuken.com/2012/08/29/pla...iden-demo-with-omar-kendell-and-seth-killian/
EDIT: @Mailifang
So the perfect "platform fighter" is one that needs to be modified to work competitively, allows people to die in random ways, allows random effects (Iol tripping) and is seriously imbalanced?
Mailifang
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....And this is why I barely posted at DOAC.People take opinions way to personally online especially on forums.
Here is my last 2 cents on the subject
*Just because I offered a conflicting opinion doesn't necessarily mean I'm "trolling".
* I'm not here to start trouble, "troll", or(Heaven forbid O.O) make myself look bad.
* But I am not gonna censor what I think or what I post to appease you or anyone else. As much as I want to be social and be cool with everyone here.The reality is that there are going to be some people I'm not going to get along with.Nor will people always like what I post.Bt thats ok.I never take things posted on forums pesonally.
*My opinions are not always liked.I've been in enough dumb internet debates to last a lifetime.
*IMHO until someone does better than Nintendo's Super Smash Bros in terms of gameplay and production values Nintendo has "perfected"it. Or you could say they have set a standard to which Sony is now trying to emulate.
*I've played and own many "platform fighting" games. My favorite games of the genre was the Power Stone series
* I'm not a huge fan of certain genre doesn't mean I haven't played them or consider them fun.I never said "platform fighter" type fightng games aka "party game brawlers" are not good.I just don't consider them "traditional fighting" games
*So let me rephrase then I don't feel Sony Allstars is gonna be good.Thats Based on what I see of the game and the gameplay mechanics I've seen at Evo. But time will tell,in the end it may be good enough for the masses and if they enjoy it my opinion shouldn't really matter.
* But I've played enough video games especially fighting games in my 35 yrs on the planet to have an opnion.And I am a she not a he.
*I'm not going out of my way to make the game look bad. It does that on its own in my opinion.
Mailifang
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Exactly ^_^. Because its a "platform fighter".It doesn't need or require the same game play mechanics or options that are in "traditional fighting" games.They were never meant to be taken seriously.But like I said if a large group of people feel passionate about a game they can and will build a community around it. Even if the game "Needs to be modified to work competitively, allows people to die in random ways, allows random effects (Iol tripping) and is seriously imbalanced" that won't stop a large group of players from loving it. Perfect example is Marvel vs Capcom 2.That game was busted all to hell.Yet that didn't stop the FGC from supporting it for 10 yrs.