DR2K
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Competition isn't just defined by the games mechanics but the love of the game itself. I agree with his point. Just because you didn't get everything you wanted it doesn't mean the game isn't competitive, see how it pans out.
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Competition isn't just defined by the games mechanics but the love of the game itself. I agree with his point. Just because you didn't get everything you wanted it doesn't mean the game isn't competitive, see how it pans out.
Skilletor
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I would say there's a direct correlation between love of the game and gameplay, so I disagree.
Of course we'll have to wait and see, but I've been through this before. This feels exactly the same as DoA4 prelaunch. Hence my bitterness.
Pupi18
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I know but so far we have seen all ranges of reactions from tournament players which has been from positive to negative and we can't really judge by that small group that has played it in the end. It can be a DOA4/DOA
outcome as it might not be and only time will tell and if its good it can be easily be messed up by patches later on. (Look SCV )
DR2K
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Of course there's a correlation, in DOA4 it was a complete loss of game play mechanics from 3.1. That's not the case here at least for a good portion of the cast.
Doug Nguyen
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Yeah but DOA5 isnt as bad as everyone is saying. Im sure half are just hoping on the bandwagon. DOA5 is already way better than DOA4.All this hype about DOA5 being a great fighter, up until one freaking week left, now it sucks? Iol. picked up TTT2 just to hold me over till DOA5, but man I was not expecting TTT2 to be as good as it is. For those of you who's character got nerfed or whatever, I feel your pain, but I'm gonna be playing the game with a smile While you're being over analytical crying over sh** that you can find ways around, but won't cause you are too focused on bitching cause you couldn't haven't your way. If we're lucky, TN will do what they did with NG3, and just use this as a beta test for the WiiU version, and fix all the problems for that version.....
Skilletor
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Doa_Eater
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I know but so far we have seen all ranges of reactions from tournament players which has been from positive to negative and we can't really judge by that small group that has played it in the end. It can be a DOA4/DOA
Well tournament players are the best people to listen to when it comes to gameplay and feedback on mechanics precisely for the reason to minimize patches.
Other then that is is all random thoughts, i can ask why the hell are they nerfing a mechanic that is totally new to the franchise and is advertised as a selling gameplay point but can i get an answer, no.(I'm talking about CB)
I blame Helena for everything.
Pupi18
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The thing is not everyone has complained about it and it seems to be rather mixed from all ranges of excellent, good, ok , meh and mediocre. How can we really tell when things are so mixed in terms of opinions. Tournament players can be the best as it can't be not exactly the best either since they are trying to get the game to meet their needs and not everyone's needs which in the end this game is trying to appeal both markets casuals and Pros. There needs to be middle grounds for the game to appeal Casuals and hardcore players and some things can make it or break it with both audiences and in the end we'll see by ourselves how good or how bad things are.
If we're lucky, TN will do what they did with NG3, and just use this as a beta test for the WiiU version, and fix all the problems for that version.....
We're lucky if we get a broken game and then have to buy a shitty Wii U later on to play the real version?
Mailifang
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Well I guess it comes down whether your a DOA fan or just a highly competitive player that likes to play DOA. Having a balanced game with great game play mechanics is all that is needed to allow a game to be played at a competitive level. I hate to bring this up but the DOA high level offline community and those who wish to play it at a competitive level is very small. Even the competitive players who go to major tournaments in other fighting game communities only make up a fraction of the overall fan base of their respective games.
All I'm saying is that the DOA community at this time should support a really great looking new game coming out.Some players needs to stop bitching and start playing.If you do not like DOA5 then that's fine.There are other fighting games out there for you to play. All I hear from the whining of a handful of respected DOA players is
"characters are getting nerfed" "this character can't do that" "the game needs to do this" "the stun system needs to get fixed"
All this junk is being said and the game isn't even out yet. About a few weeks ago I watched the DOA Summer jam tourny vids and I thought the game looked good and played well. I feel the high level community sometimes needs to take their head out their own ass and look at the big picture.Not every fighting game produced is created to please you. It took 7 yrs for a new DOA fighting game to come out and a handful of players who are respected in the community are dumping on it before its released. The DOA competitive community is so small that even if a small bunch of well known players hate on it then other fighting game communities are going to say "well DOA's own high level players feel the game is shitty so the game must be shitty" . And the game isn't even out yet.
You think the developers really care about pissing off you or a handful high level players?DOA has sold millions world wide. Yet we only probably got maybe about 50 to 100 high level players offline and online that are well known within the community.
If DOA5 crash and burns in the competitive scene its fault lies with the community and not the game. If players can and will support a busted ass game like MVC2 then why can't the DOA community come together as a whole community offline and online to play and support DOA5.
I am a DOA fan and have been supporting the series since playing the first game at a hole in the wall arcade here in Cali. If you don't want to support the game because it isn't tailored to suit your view of what it should play like then stop supporting the series. The DOA community doesn't need your support if your just going to bitch and moan about the game and give it bad press before it comes out. I own and play every DOA game.I prefer playing some DOA games over other games in the series. But I still support the series because I love it. You should always expect changes to be made.I choose to adapt to those changes.
Now if DOA started eliminating some of my favorite characters and it ended up playing like Tekken then I will stop supporting the series. But until that day I will support the DOA series.
What?You can't read?
Darrell
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Sarcasm...
Sarcasm...
Okay, good. Because that was pretty messed up.
DR2K
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Your opinion definitely goes against the majority somewhat. I agree with it for the most part though. Don't let a few condescending remarks get in your way.
DrDogg
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1. This site was specifically created to cater to those competitive players.
2. Team Ninja specifically stated they would like to see the game perform better in competitive circles.
3. Team Ninja took input from many people on this site (and many other people) specifically to create a game that would appeal to competitive players.
4. If DOA5 is not up to par, many people here will not play the game and the longevity of the title will be severely cut. There's a reason why WB continues to support MK to keep it in the competitive scene, despite the fact that MK9 sold 3 million copies in the first few months.
5. If you cannot understand or simply do not agree with any of these statements, then you should consider the fact that maybe this isn't the DOA site for you. There are plenty of other DOA sites that could care less about the competitive viability of the title.
Mailifang
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I've been apart of quite a few other fighting game communities.And my opinion overall is frowned upon in general.Because the FGC as a whole is one big frat boys club. Every fighting game community has its own culture, slang, etiquette, and even belief system. When your opinions conflict with how the community feels as a whole you get laughed out that community or disrespected. Its hard enough for me being a female player to get respected.Its twice as hard for an to be an opinionated female player to get respect. At times it seems I got more common sense than half the FGC.
A lot of high level players want to be known in the FGC so they become apart of the culture and indoctrinate themselves to the culture. Many like and thrive in a culture that is based off of status.Your status is judged by your peers based on your play,personality, and what you do for the community.
My only issue is that the American DOA high level community sometimes revels in its cult status too much. There are not many high level players.Yet the high level players only recognize or acknowledge other high level players if you play in offline tournaments. Many top level DOA players got schooled by online players.So instead of acknowledging that there are other high level players they just decided to split the community between offline and online.
Instead of embracing the new discovered talent and high level players the offline community alienated them back then. Why? It disrupts the pecking order and changes the status of high level players overall.Offline players then started calling out online players.Telling them if you can't win offline then your skill is nothing to us. This is like a star nba player getting butt hurt because they got beat in basketball by a street ball player on a playground court.So the butt hurt star NBA player gets upset and says
"I bet you can't beat me on a real court in a real basketball game"
Something like this rarely happens in the Basketball commuinty because playground basketball play and street ball players changed the game of the NBA to what it is today.
The DOA high level community is too small to be so petty over how the game is played. There is still that "Us and Them" mentality that plagues this community more so than other fighting game community.
A lot of high level players want to be known in the FGC so they become apart of the culture and indoctrinate themselves to the culture. Many like and thrive in a culture that is based off of status.Your status is judged by your peers based on your play,personality, and what you do for the community.
My only issue is that the American DOA high level community sometimes revels in its cult status too much. There are not many high level players.Yet the high level players only recognize or acknowledge other high level players if you play in offline tournaments. Many top level DOA players got schooled by online players.So instead of acknowledging that there are other high level players they just decided to split the community between offline and online.
Instead of embracing the new discovered talent and high level players the offline community alienated them back then. Why? It disrupts the pecking order and changes the status of high level players overall.Offline players then started calling out online players.Telling them if you can't win offline then your skill is nothing to us. This is like a star nba player getting butt hurt because they got beat in basketball by a street ball player on a playground court.So the butt hurt star NBA player gets upset and says
"I bet you can't beat me on a real court in a real basketball game"
Something like this rarely happens in the Basketball commuinty because playground basketball play and street ball players changed the game of the NBA to what it is today.
The DOA high level community is too small to be so petty over how the game is played. There is still that "Us and Them" mentality that plagues this community more so than other fighting game community.
DrDogg
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Taking it back to 2005 I see? Okay, sure... name 3 online players that schooled high level players in an offline, tournament environment. If you can't then your point is invalid.
Genesis
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Best quote in this whole discussion.
