The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

[FatalxInnocence]

If that turns out to be Ayame, things are definitely going to get bloody in DOA6 lol

When you think about it, it would kind of explain the tear. I don't really understand why a Kasumi clone would be crying. Ayame however, it kind of makes sense.

It's not helping the case because costumes can be bought separately now.

Honestly though, would it hurt for TN to diversify a little more? They can try to please their target audience like they always do while catering to others at the same time. There are people who plays a male and simply wants more costumes for them. Why is that so hard for them grasp that they had to hold back on releasing a DLC for a male? Sure it's business and all that shit that everyone says but even a minority can give a big impact. (thus why the Fighter Pack DLC was heard and granted)

Hmm, you do have a point. However with the option of people buying female at least it's not a complete waste if people were to avoid buying the male's costumes in the said packs. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for male dlc costumes. However, in the post I quoted it seemed like you wanted more than a few. Which, will never happen. If anything they might do 1 more entire male pack.. but considering the games state- it's unlikely you'll get a "fuckload" of male costume DLC. Especially with the release of 2 new females. ( M.R and mystery woman. )

*looks at Sarah, who keeps getting buffs*
You were saying?

I have a feeling they're listening to the JPN audience in regards to nerfs and buffs. I literally wouldn't be surprised if Hitomi got hit by a major nerf due to JPN players. She seems literally unstoppable in Japan, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they buffed Marie Rose already cause every person who uses her in Japan seems to lose horribly. I'm guessing the DOA community in Japan don't see Sarah as a threat which is why they haven't nerfed her yet. It's bound to happen at some point though.... maybe.

 

[Baal bal]

*looks at Sarah, who keeps getting buffs*

You were saying?




I don't even know what you mean by this. My approach is not "I know the thing so well I need not explain it," my approach is "I've already explained the thing a hundred times so I don't feel the need to repeat myself yet again." Which, if you've been keeping up with this thread, you would know I've done repeatedly.

But apparently, I'm supposed to start from scratch every time one new person enters the fray. All my 5,000+ posts and all 547 pages of this thread mean nothing if you haven't read them. So, I'll make an exception just for you, because apparently you're dying to have me "argue the thing."

So, what is "the thing"? The thing in this instance is that a gameplay addition can be bad. That's my argument (in that post, anyway). How do I argue it? Well, as per typical rhetoric, one valid counter-example will do the trick. So, I need to find an example of a gameplay addition that is bad. Now, there are literally billions of these, and if I wanted to prove/argue my point, I'd only need one (and it can even be a hypothetical one!). But since I'm such a lovely, handsome man, I'll get more specific by finding one in DOA.

Well, let's see... hm. Oh! Here's a character who has huge damage output, is super-fast, is super-safe, has good mix-ups, good lows, great crushes, good OHs, sabakis, oh yeah... this will do. Sarah was a gameplay addition and she was/is bad in her current state because she makes half the existing roster look absolutely pathetic. A competitive game is not a restaurant. You can't just not order something that was added to the menu and pretend it doesn't exist. If something is added and it affects the overall experience in a negative light, the thing is bad. That is possible, and that's what my point is.

So, to apply this point to the current situation: if TN makes a new character that's another stupid Kasumi clone, putting aside the fact that they're wasting time and resources on it, if the character is dumb and or broken, that negatively affects the game. So, like I said earlier: there are many, many ways that adding new gameplay can go wrong. That's one of them.

Thank you for clarifying yourself, I know repeating the same argument all the time is a boring task, but not doing it make your point... useless. So thanks you anyway.

I was waiting for the cheep "counter exemple" technic, and bet on Alfa-152. My lost here ^^.

Having a "broken character" which make the gameplay add a bad point, is not enough of an argument for me.
-First because it's always a subjective point, and some player would be happy to play it even if it's broken and cheep.
-Secondly because it's nearly always a matter of time before balance adjustments fix it (even if it can take a long time), and when the character would have been corrected, it would turn out to be a good point for the diversity of the game...
-Finally because a true "broken" character that would ruine the entire game doesn't exist, just like a perfect balance.

Well, i don't feel like destroying one by one every counter exemple you could give me... 'Cause it would be pretty long. In fact there is many, many false exemple of bad gameplay add ;P
(If a simple counter exemple could have stopped me from arguing my point, i wouldn't have bothered you to argue with me -_-')

 

[Tyaren]

Indeed compared to the other fighting games, the situation of DoA is maybe the best for a gender equality.

Lol, that's not gender equality! XD It's as sexist as it gets. They've more females, so they can exploit more females and more perverts with overpriced bikinis and soft porn gravure scenes.

 

[Deleted member 473]

@Baal bal its ironic because you main Kasumi..... So your actually willing to settle for a another version of her, which is pathetic because that would mean you and TN won in the process while everyone else loses. Where is my badass Zack costumes?

 

[Rawbietussin]

Hmm, you do have a point. However with the option of people buying female at least it's not a complete waste if people were to avoid buying the male's costumes in the said packs. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for male dlc costumes. However, in the post I quoted it seemed like you wanted more than a few. Which, will never happen. If anything they might do 1 more entire male pack.. but considering the games state- it's unlikely you'll get a "fuckload" of male costume DLC. Especially with the release of 2 new females. ( M.R and mystery woman. )

Marie's case is understandable as she is "entirely new" but if that "mystery woman" is in fact a clone, I don't think she has more of a reason to have more costumes than the guys or Alpha-152. I doubt it's Ayame because it would be questionable why she attacked Bayman and his troops when she has no connections with him to begin with. It would also be questionable for the wife of a clan leader to be "strolling" outside the village.

It's not so much to ask for lets say... A schoolboy and male professors DLC? Or maybe a fresh batch of fighter packs (at least for Jacky, Leon and Ein before they entirely canned this idea away) as a new all-male pack for 5U? There's not a lot of options you can choose from for them and your most likely bet is to use a throwback. I just prefer more options than being forced to stick with one.

 

[Baal bal]

@Baal bal its ironic because you main Kasumi..... So your actually willing to settle for a another version of her, which is pathetic because that would mean you and TN won in the process while everyone else loses. Where is my badass Zack costumes?

Haha XD !
As i said, i play nearly only Kasumi. I'm fine with only her as a main, the probability of me switching to a new fighter is really low, and i don't need other clone of her.
Honestly i don't give a damn fuck who the new character is, as long as it bring a new interesting matchup, i'll be happy ^^.
There is no "winning" or "loosing" here, it's "giving" something new to all DOA player. That's why i'm annoyed by the actual ranting...
Furthermore having a clone of Kasumi don't come in conflict with new Badass Zack outfit, why did you get that idea ?! ^^
As for me I hope we will get a formal wear pack for VD, or casual vol3 or legacy vol 2 next week. See ? Our interest are the same finally XD

 

[gnooz]

I just wondering if she will be available at the same time with Marie Rose's console release (though I won't be able to play them only I can play against them) if not I will jump the shark lol he he he...By the way my English is superb.

 

[Kronin]

*looks at Sarah, who keeps getting buffs*

You were saying?

I was sarcastic Brute XD In first place I see the nerfs like a bad thing (and not like a solution), then I know that the Japanese play in a way completely different from the Western ones, thing that make take them choices completely different (in buffs and nerfs matters) from what the majority of the people of this forum think.

Lol, that's not gender equality! XD It's as sexist as it gets. They've more females, so they can exploit more females and more perverts with overpriced bikinis and soft porn gravure scenes.

These are two different questions: the possibility to get a balanced roster formed by male and female characters don't necessarily presuppose that then you have to add more bikini or gravure scenes.

It's pretty possible to add in equal measure female and male characters, just like giving a smart fanservice and sexiness to female roster if this is a part of the appeal for a large part of the fandom, without overcoming this side if the game and treating the male characters with the right importance.

The original DoA5 demo seemed to do just it (just like stated by the same TN in following interviews), then the fans through the survey make realize to the developers that they didn't want lose this aspect, again the complaints and requests along the life of DoA5 from a (evidently not so little) part of the fandom was able to slighty change the route of the game toward the original direction (considering the greater importance of the male characters in the DLC of DoA5U).

I just wondering if she will be available at the same time with Marie Rose's console release (though I won't be able to play them only I can play against them) if not I will jump the shark lol he he he...By the way my English is superb.

From the tweet seems that while Marie Rose will be released on console, the new character will be included in the Japanese arcade. Very likely we will have to wait three months (like for Marie Rose and all the time exclusivities of DoA), before to see its releases also on console.

 

[Kodachi]

I just wondering if she will be available at the same time with Marie Rose's console release (though I won't be able to play them only I can play against them) if not I will jump the shark lol he he he...By the way my English is superb.

No, they only said she's coming to Arcades in March

 

[human013]

On the 4gamer website it says Marie Rose will be paid DLC. Just telling you guys what I saw.

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

On the 4gamer website it says Marie Rose will be paid DLC. Just telling you guys what I saw.

I'll still wait for TN's confirmation, but I expect as much.

 

[Kronin]

On the 4gamer website it says Marie Rose will be paid DLC. Just telling you guys what I saw.

You ninja'd me I was posting the same thing.

Actually I read it on this article: http://www.4gamer.net/games/224/G022452/20140215007/, and the good twitter user Ahmed (that I really thanks for all the times that I request him translations and he is so kind to do them for me), confirmed to me that this is said in this part of the text:

まずは今年3月に，コンシューマ版である「DEAD OR ALIVE 5 Ultimate」（PlayStation 3 / Xbox 360）の有料DLCとしてマリー・ローズが配信されることが発表。
　そしてアーケード版DOA5UAでは，同じ3月のアップデートにてさらなる新キャラクターが追加されることも明らかになった。詳細は語られなかったが，早矢仕氏によると「DEAD OR ALIVE 5 Ultimateを知っているなら，きっと見たことがあるキャラクター」だという。早矢仕氏は「その後もアップデートする気はマンマン」と最後にコメントしているので，ファンにとってDOA5は今年もまだまだ目が離せない存在となりそうだ。

A little shame, but in the end if Marie Rose will cost just like the core fighters charas (so 4,99$) seems to me a right price for an effective fundamental content to a fighting game, surely in proportion more worthy of 20+$ for the gravure movies

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

I image there will be a free, mandatory compatibility pack alongside her and that both the free and the premium versions will include Lorelei.

 

[Brute]

Marie Rose being paid is perfectly expected. I take no issue with that.

Having a "broken character" which make the gameplay add a bad point, is not enough of an argument for me.
-First because it's always a subjective point, and some player would be happy to play it even if it's broken and cheep.
-Secondly because it's nearly always a matter of time before balance adjustments fix it (even if it can take a long time), and when the character would have been corrected, it would turn out to be a good point for the diversity of the game...
-Finally because a true "broken" character that would ruine the entire game doesn't exist, just like a perfect balance.

-First, then that would be to say any addition is good because SOMEONE out there might enjoy it, even if it kills it for a lot of other people. Imagine a gameplay mechanic where if you shake the PS3 sixaxis with the jiggle physics on, you can kill your opponent with telekinesis. Stupid, and a bad gameplay addition. But some player would be happy to play it even if it's broken and cheap. Does that make it okay? No.
-Second, unlikely. Just look at MK9's imbalance. Or the stuff with later NG games. Or Sarah.
-I never said "ruin the entire game," I said it would be "bad." And it would be bad. Imagine them implementing a nigh unbeatable character like the good ol' boss Akuma. Banned from tourneys, sure, but you couldn't play online with any characters anymore because you'd HAVE to be the broken character to beat everyone else who's being the broken character.

 

[Number 13]

Shame it wasn't free for non-core fighters like it was suggested, but whatever it was a likely scenario. The fact that the extra characters will cost money kind of ruins the chances for characters like Tengu.

 

[Kronin]

I image there will be a free, mandatory compatibility pack alongside her and that both the free and the premium versions will include Lorelei.

I think the same me too.

It's a little strange considering that the stages were free, but I can imagine that the work for porting a character on the console is more bigger (considering all the work with the exclusive modes for the Xbox/Ps3).

Shame it wasn't free for non-core fighters like it was suggested, but whatever it was a likely scenario. The fact that the extra characters will cost money kind of ruins the chances for characters like Tengu.

Oh damn! I didn't think to a similar thing! O_O

 

[Rawbietussin]

So much for a "surprise" for 5UCF's 1M download achievement I guess... Unless we're getting First Time Pack 2 along with Marie Rose and Lorelei.

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

It's a little strange considering that the stages were free, but I can imagine that the work for porting a character on the console is more bigger

Stages are free because they have to be. They can show up randomly and it would be retarded to make people pay for a stage that they may never get to play on, if few others also purchase it.

Characters on the other hand, are entirely optional, so of course they'll charge for them.

 

[gnooz]

Shame it wasn't free for non-core fighters like it was suggested, but whatever it was a likely scenario. The fact that the extra characters will cost money kind of ruins the chances for characters like Tengu.

Can't believe I am a Core Fighter and now I am glad I didn't buy the full game. Guys how does it feel? I mean I think now you feel like core fighter don't you The game itself is very expensive why they charge for a character? This is disgusting for me. They gain money from that free to play game so chances of Tengu revival is high for me. Should be. They doing same stupid programing and fighting game designs for years is this that hard to do in 2014. I think it is easier and cheaper.

 

[Baal bal]

You ninja'd me I was posting the same thing.

Actually I read it on this article: http://www.4gamer.net/games/224/G022452/20140215007/, and the good twitter user Ahmed (that I really thanks for all the times that I request him translations and he is so kind to do them for me), confirmed to me that this is said in this part of the text:

まずは今年3月に，コンシューマ版である「DEAD OR ALIVE 5 Ultimate」（PlayStation 3 / Xbox 360）の有料DLCとしてマリー・ローズが配信されることが発表。
　そしてアーケード版DOA5UAでは，同じ3月のアップデートにてさらなる新キャラクターが追加されることも明らかになった。詳細は語られなかったが，早矢仕氏によると「DEAD OR ALIVE 5 Ultimateを知っているなら，きっと見たことがあるキャラクター」だという。早矢仕氏は「その後もアップデートする気はマンマン」と最後にコメントしているので，ファンにとってDOA5は今年もまだまだ目が離せない存在となりそうだ。

A little shame, but in the end if Marie Rose will cost just like the core fighters charas (so 4,99$) seems to me a right price for an effective fundamental content to a fighting game, surely in proportion more worthy of 20+$ for the gravure movies

Worthy of it's price, but also it's annoying.

Marie Rose being paid is perfectly expected. I take no issue with that.


-First, then that would be to say any addition is good because SOMEONE out there might enjoy it, even if it kills it for a lot of other people. Imagine a gameplay mechanic where if you shake the PS3 sixaxis with the jiggle physics on, you can kill your opponent with telekinesis. Stupid, and a bad gameplay addition. But some player would be happy to play it even if it's broken and cheap. Does that make it okay? No.
-Second, unlikely. Just look at MK9's imbalance. Or the stuff with later NG games. Or Sarah.
-I never said "ruin the entire game," I said it would be "bad." And it would be bad. Imagine them implementing a nigh unbeatable character like the good ol' boss Akuma. Banned from tourneys, sure, but you couldn't play online with any characters anymore because you'd HAVE to be the broken character to beat everyone else who's being the broken character.

Don't be ridiculous, of course if you put anything to it's paroxysm, it will turn out to be stupide -_-'
Moreover, something that would kill the game so that you can't play it properly don't fit in the definition of gameplay. Gameplay = way to play a game. If you have no chance of winning, it's not playing.
No playing = no gameplay, you can add something that will make one player to win instantly, but it can't be called gameplay, it's cheating.
However, you can go on with conter exemple, but it will take some time...
Now if you still believe in your last argument about balance, it's still a matter of time before an utterly unbalanced add is fixed.
I guess that this debate depends on your definition of gameplay. "If it kill the game, it's no more a gameplay" is my answer