The Official Dead or Alive 5 Tier List with Discussion thread

Forlorn Penguin

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Also, people are putting Bass low on their personal tier lists despite the fact that he can easily to +50% if you make one simple mistake. He still has trouble against fast characters, but otherwise still a big threat. You duck and you end up eating a combo, get hit with an untechable move and you end up at -13 from a pick-up and you're dealing with some nasty new BT set-ups that force you to guess.

He's pretty awesome, for sure. I should really try to play Bass.
 

Matt Ponton

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Uncle Kitchener has put up a fairly good starters guide to Bass in the Bass forums if you're interested in giving him a look.
 

Nate

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I have nothing but respect for Bass. I feel like I can really mess him up bad and put him under massive pressure, but man, if he guesses me right, I usually end up eating dirt. Lots of dirt. Unless he's kind enough to pick me up. Nice guy, that Bass.
 

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Yeah, it's tough going from Bass to another character. I remember Allan Paris excited about doing 80 damage with Kasumi. I was like, "? That's kind of low...". That's because on the average Bass does a 3 hit combo and you've lost 100+ life haha.

And he's not kind enough to pick you up from the dirt. He think's you're lazy and feels you're just making the dirt look bad.
 

synce

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Bass is great just for the fact he's one of two heavies in this game and almost no one uses them. I don't think most people bother creating max damage combos for Bass or Bayman :)
 

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Best I've gotten off a HCT is 214 or 241 damage with him, I forget but I think it was 241.
 

GLoRToR

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You guys do realize that someone making an opinionated tier list without giving any facts or reasons as to character placement still doesn't mean a character at the lowest tier doesn't have good tools...
^ What Sorwah said. I did say I was just fishing for corrections pretty much.
 

Dallas1088

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Just to be quick on the subject of Hayate, I don't believe he was good or slept on. He simply had nothing at his disposal to explore or discover. A decent sidestep, moderate speed and good throws. But not enough to supplement his lack of guaranteed damage, useless and slow GBs, nonexistent low game and gross unsafety. I truly believed he was bottom tier in 1.02. But I decided to be generous and say he was low tier.

I expect people to pick him up as he's actually good now, but I'm glad I stayed loyal to the character.


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It's just a matter of using the right moves at the right time and making good use of their advantage. Sarah gets +4 from a 17 frame mid kick and Rig gets +2 from all his into stance finishers that end with a high. If they're getting crushed you're doing it wrong.

Still yes though.
 

Forlorn Penguin

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Uncle Kitchener has put up a fairly good starters guide to Bass in the Bass forums if you're interested in giving him a look.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

You shouldn't try and just play the guy. He's super simple and has a small move list.

I'll keep at him and see how it goes.

Bass is great just for the fact he's one of two heavies in this game and almost no one uses them. I don't think most people bother creating max damage combos for Bass or Bayman :)

Those are pretty much the only two characters I'm using right now.
 

MasterHavik

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But when you look at 3.1 Bass has more ways to open you up and get some free damage. And his CB is still godlike...correct me if I'm wrong, but is it the only unholdable CB in the game?
 

Kitsune

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While some characters might have an easier time setting up guaranteed damage, others are still just as good (in my opinion). DOA5 is more about those 50/50 and just simply knowing what move beats what. This is from what I have seen from the midwest community here in Colorado.
 

Something-Unique

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Dayum son! Tier thread got blown up and turned lifeless after the patch huh?

Sarah still better than everyone imo. Mila fell from godliness that people just didn't see at the time and now never will. Akira bumped up into the elite. Pai fell from grace but how far I dunno yet. Brad Wong is slept on and is so not low tier. Hayabusa jumped up but still isn't the best. Gen Fu is still Gen Fu. Same applies to Jann Lee though a tad less bullshit. Lei is still super janky but still not the ultimate like everyone claimed her to be. Helena is still the overrated bitch and even less so now.

Hayate went from the worst imo or at least in the running for it to less garbage now but godly he still is not. Lisa is a bit of a sleeper as well. Kokoro is still Kokoro. Hitomi is till meh though more respectable. Kasumi is interesting in terms of just how stong/average she is. She could be beast. Alpha is still a scrubby easy mode character except when you can get her to stop pressing buttons which is almost never with Alpha players. Rig is still a suspect ass character, sometimes I think he's great but then sometimes i'm like not so much. Can't ever find anyone to prove it either as all Rig's either mash or go ham with lows like no tomorrow. Ayane is still solid. Bayman is still can u react to the tank roll and punish or can't u. Online that shit is god as it's impossible.

Everyone else is well everyone else. Tina, Bass, etc I have no idea where u fit in overall.
 

MasterHavik

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Dayum son! Tier thread got blown up and turned lifeless after the patch huh?

Sarah still better than everyone imo. Mila fell from godliness that people just didn't see at the time and now never will. Akira bumped up into the elite. Pai fell from grace but how far I dunno yet. Brad Wong is slept on and is so not low tier. Hayabusa jumped up but still isn't the best. Gen Fu is still Gen Fu. Same applies to Jann Lee though a tad less bullshit. Lei is still super janky but still not the ultimate like everyone claimed her to be. Helena is still the overrated bitch and even less so now.

Hayate went from the worst imo or at least in the running for it to less garbage now but godly he still is not. Lisa is a bit of a sleeper as well. Kokoro is still Kokoro. Hitomi is till meh though more respectable. Kasumi is interesting in terms of just how stong/average she is. She could be beast. Alpha is still a scrubby easy mode character except when you can get her to stop pressing buttons which is almost never with Alpha players. Rig is still a suspect ass character, sometimes I think he's great but then sometimes i'm like not so much. Can't ever find anyone to prove it either as all Rig's either mash or go ham with lows like no tomorrow. Ayane is still solid. Bayman is still can u react to the tank roll and punish or can't u. Online that shit is god as it's impossible.

Everyone else is well everyone else. Tina, Bass, etc I have no idea where u fit in overall.
No opinion on Zack or Christie...I died a little inside man....
 

synce

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They nerfed Pai's best move and yet she's scarier now. I won't say too much for fear of more nerfs.
 

Something-Unique

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"Less garbage"? Where exactly would you put him? He's more than formidable after the patch IMO.

Before he was just complete garbage imo. All he had going for him was that sweet i7 236T, 7K. His speed was respectable to but his mixups were bad and he was on the high end of what it means to be unsafe. All the above still applies except he now has the awesome sit-down properties of 3P+K, SSP, and 3K which gives you a stun setup for free which is godlike. 3P+K into 3K into 7P just makes me cringe at how good it is. 236K is solid stuff to. Everything else he received isn't relevant though. Especially the charges which can still be reacted to and he still has the exact same unsafe problems.

I'd put him up there in the upper mid now though just off the strength of how free his stun game is now. But I can still see him dropping in the long run just because others are better than him.

They nerfed Pai's best move and yet she's scarier now. I won't say too much for fear of more nerfs.

You sir are a smart man. If anyone ever finds tech from this point out I'd advise all to keep it a secret since TN fails at balance.
 
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