This is an estimation and discussion thread regarding the tier list of DoA5U, like its spiritual predecessor.
This list contains a combination of the Match-up rating discussion estimates at different corners of our community, and it must be underlined that one do not claim that this is final or something to be slapped as official at its current stage. These are simply estimates that we as a community has put forth thus far, and some with very little discussion or evaluation/second look at current stage. Thus it should not be taken as scientific fact, or otherwise be used as proof. It is simply put forwards for those of us which want to debate it further.
You can locate the collected data as a Google Spreadsheet here.
It is incomplete, but could still be viewed as an interesting piece of work in regards for further discussion here at the forums. It was last updated 16.November.2014.
The current United States tiers for DOA5 Ultimate are as follows:
S - Christie (+31)
A - Gen Fu (+21), Ayane (+16), Kasumi (+13)
B - Helena (+11), Leifang (+10), Hayate (+9), Pai (+9), Momiji (+6), Lisa (+5), Leon, (+3), Hayabusa (+2), Sarah (+2), Rig (+1), Akira (±0) Jacky (±0)
C - Alpha 152 (-1), Mila (-1), Zack (-2), Marie Rose (-3), Bayman (-4), Hitomi (-5), Jann Lee (-5), Rachel (-5), Tina (-5), Phase 4 (-8), Bass (-11), Ein (-11)
D - Kokoro (-15), Nyotengu (-15), Brad (-17)
E - Eliot (-28)
The current Japanese tiers for DOA5 Last Round are as follows:
S - Hayate, Ayane, Gen Fu
A+ - Kasumi, Hayabusa, Akira
A - Helena, Christie, Mila
B+ - Hitomi, Zack, Rig, Jann Lee, Bayman, Kokoro, Leifang, Lisa
B - Tina, Leon, Sarah, Rachel, Momiji, Phase 4, Raidou, Bass, Brad
C+ - Eliot, Ein, Jacky, Pai
C - Nyotengu, Marie Rose
D - Honoka, Alpha-152
Old data: http://www.freestepdodge.com/thread...live-5-tier-list-with-discussion-thread.2082/
Thank you, and I hope for some fruitful debate to expand upon the list further.
This list contains a combination of the Match-up rating discussion estimates at different corners of our community, and it must be underlined that one do not claim that this is final or something to be slapped as official at its current stage. These are simply estimates that we as a community has put forth thus far, and some with very little discussion or evaluation/second look at current stage. Thus it should not be taken as scientific fact, or otherwise be used as proof. It is simply put forwards for those of us which want to debate it further.
You can locate the collected data as a Google Spreadsheet here.
It is incomplete, but could still be viewed as an interesting piece of work in regards for further discussion here at the forums. It was last updated 16.November.2014.
The current United States tiers for DOA5 Ultimate are as follows:
S - Christie (+31)
A - Gen Fu (+21), Ayane (+16), Kasumi (+13)
B - Helena (+11), Leifang (+10), Hayate (+9), Pai (+9), Momiji (+6), Lisa (+5), Leon, (+3), Hayabusa (+2), Sarah (+2), Rig (+1), Akira (±0) Jacky (±0)
C - Alpha 152 (-1), Mila (-1), Zack (-2), Marie Rose (-3), Bayman (-4), Hitomi (-5), Jann Lee (-5), Rachel (-5), Tina (-5), Phase 4 (-8), Bass (-11), Ein (-11)
D - Kokoro (-15), Nyotengu (-15), Brad (-17)
E - Eliot (-28)
The current Japanese tiers for DOA5 Last Round are as follows:
S - Hayate, Ayane, Gen Fu
A+ - Kasumi, Hayabusa, Akira
A - Helena, Christie, Mila
B+ - Hitomi, Zack, Rig, Jann Lee, Bayman, Kokoro, Leifang, Lisa
B - Tina, Leon, Sarah, Rachel, Momiji, Phase 4, Raidou, Bass, Brad
C+ - Eliot, Ein, Jacky, Pai
C - Nyotengu, Marie Rose
D - Honoka, Alpha-152
It seems a lot of people on this forum are missing the point of tier lists. A lot of people don't like them because they feel that they discourage adaptation or treat competition as overly formulaic. Despite one's philosophy, match ups are a real thing and an integral part of the meta in fighting games. No one can safely say what the tier list is for a game until years into it's life span.
Here's a breakdown on what each ratio means. If someone else already provided this on another post I will delete this and quote there's.
6:4 / 4:6
This is, in fact, a very equal match up. The only time you will ever really notice the match up difference is when both players are truly of equal skill level. Even then it is winnable for either side. A 6-4 can be caused by any number of factors from one character just being overall better than the other or it could be a specific situation like a mix up that doesn't work or works only in this match up.
7:3 / 3:7
This is when a match up becomes noticeably slanted in one's favor. Even when the two players aren't perfectly even but still on the same level you will see that one character holds an advantage over the other. If the two players are about even with each other the "3" needs a little luck on top of being on point with their game. Because of this, 7-3's are often considered controversial (if we dare use that word) as they stir up a lot of differing opinions. 7-3's exist in virtually every fighting game out there.
8:2 / 2:8
There is no question that this match up is unbalanced. Usually there is one specific reason for this 8:2 in addition to lots of other examples. No one with any sense will question that this match up is unfair but to what extent is often debated. This is the first ratio that is often seen as impossible or highly improbable in a tournament setting where the players may be competing in long sets where getting consistent wins is essential.
9:1 / 1:9
This ratio exists usually not just because of a specific situation or a number of situations but a design flaw by the developers. Some opinion's say that 10-0's default to this since, "you can't put a 10-0 on paper". These are rare in competitive fighting games. Basically the "1" might as well just put the controller down. In short, DoA5 has no 9-1's though I figured I would mention it for the sake of discussion.
In addition to the above, "half points" exist in which aspects of the above and below ratio are true to a certain extent. 5.5 and 6.5 are commonly seen in games that have been around for a few years. During a game's infancy it's too specific a number to have the clarity to apply.
Old data: http://www.freestepdodge.com/thread...live-5-tier-list-with-discussion-thread.2082/
Thank you, and I hope for some fruitful debate to expand upon the list further.
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