The Overwatch Thread

[Brute]

One company doing something sleazy doesn't stop another company from doing something also sleazy. Even you of all people should have obviously known that before saying this.

Only it's not sleazy to give me a bunch of free shit. They release every new character and stage completely free. I'm not a huge fan of the RNG system of the loot boxes, but if you play enough you will get repeats and you will get coins and you will be able to buy the cosmetics you want the most for absolutely free. That's not sleazy.

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

Only it's not sleazy to give me a bunch of free shit. They release every new character and stage completely free. I'm not a huge fan of the RNG system of the loot boxes, but if you play enough you will get repeats and you will get coins and you will be able to buy the cosmetics you want the most for absolutely free. That's not sleazy.

It is when the holiday outfits at first couldn't be bought and now is x3 as much as any other legendary outfit(same with epics).

You aren't really helping your case at all since the only way to get that much coin is to either pay for lootboxes and hope you get alot of dupes or play the game alot and get lootboxes that way.

 

[Brute]

It is when the holiday outfits at first couldn't be bought and now is x3 as much as any other legendary outfit(same with epics).

You aren't really helping your case at all since the only way to get that much coin is to either pay for lootboxes and hope you get alot of dupes or play the game alot and get lootboxes that way.

The maps and characters, the real meat, are absolutely free. Hardly any other game does that. If they continue to support the game like that, for free, they need revenue from somewhere. That will come from the casual crowd buying loot boxes for these types of events. As for the dedicated crowd, yeah, they get rewarded for playing the game more than sporadic casuals. Do I consider that a bad thing? No. That's pretty much the antithesis of a bad thing. The coin prices are a bit high, and I'm not a fan of limited-time only content in general, but if the trade off is indefinite free content then I'm game.

I'm not praising everything Blizzard does, either. The Summer games was a disaster, IMO, being unable to pursue the content you wanted whatsoever and relying entirely on RNG, even if you paid real money. That was bullshit. But this? This is basically charity. There is absolutely no DLC content that requires real money transactions. None. So no, it's not sleazy.

 

[Argentus]

Only it's not sleazy to give me a bunch of free shit. They release every new character and stage completely free. I'm not a huge fan of the RNG system of the loot boxes, but if you play enough you will get repeats and you will get coins and you will be able to buy the cosmetics you want the most for absolutely free. That's not sleazy.

for the regular skins? Sure. You have all the time in the world, you'll get em eventually.

But limited time events? There's no guarantee you'll actually be able to get the limited time event stuff within the limited time of the event.

THAT'S what pisses me off.

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

The maps and characters, the real meat, are absolutely free. Hardly any other game does that. If they continue to support the game like that, for free, they need revenue from somewhere. That will come from the casual crowd buying loot boxes for these types of events. As for the dedicated crowd, yeah, they get rewarded for playing the game more than sporadic casuals. Do I consider that a bad thing? No. That's pretty much the antithesis of a bad thing. The coin prices are a bit high, and I'm not a fan of limited-time only content in general, but if the trade off is indefinite free content then I'm game.

I'm not praising everything Blizzard does, either. The Summer games was a disaster, IMO, being unable to pursue the content you wanted whatsoever and relying entirely on RNG, even if you paid real money. That was bullshit. But this? This is basically charity. There is absolutely no DLC content that requires real money transactions. None. So no, it's not sleazy.

Then I don't really see why are you trying to excuse it to begin with? Yeah sure, they need the money to continue shipping out stages and characters for free, but that does not explain how or why they are trying to make limited runs cost so damn much. That is sleazy, that cannot be said enough nor can it not be refuted.

Is it better than how Koei Tecmo does with Dead or Alive 5? Yes...in certain cases. We ALSO get stages for free, but we don't get the characters for free. We have to go buy costumes no matter what, but in Overwatch, you either need to buy alot of Loot boxes and hope for the best, or get enough coins or dupes in the process to get what you want. It's just as much as a messed up system that you are trying to sweep under the rug as DOA's. The difference is that if you play Overwatch enough, you can offset easily how much coin you have before each event now compared to a beginner.

 

[Brute]

Then I don't really see why are you trying to excuse it to begin with? Yeah sure, they need the money to continue shipping out stages and characters for free, but that does not explain how or why they are trying to make limited runs cost so damn much. That is sleazy, that cannot be said enough nor can it not be refuted.

Is it better than how Koei Tecmo does with Dead or Alive 5? Yes...in certain cases. We ALSO get stages for free, but we don't get the characters for free. We have to go buy costumes no matter what, but in Overwatch, you either need to buy alot of Loot boxes and hope for the best, or get enough coins or dupes in the process to get what you want. It's just as much as a messed up system that you are trying to sweep under the rug as DOA's. The difference is that if you play Overwatch enough, you can offset easily how much coin you have before each event now compared to a beginner.

We did get stages for free. We don't currently. We also did get costumes for free (first DLC pack), but don't currently.
And no, you don't "have to go buy costumes." Again, you can get them for free (don't confuse using in-game currency which can be acquired in-game for free as synonymous with using real cash). Does that require playing the game? Yeah. Sorta like conventional unlocks work. "Oh, but in conventional unlocks they weren't limited time only!" Yeah, but in conventional unlocks of the olden days you also didn't get new content added into your game for free indefinitely either. The launch was basically it, save expansion packs and maybe bug fix patches.

Does it suck that they're limited-time? Sure. It is fucking rad that nothing requires purchases with real money? Yes.
If your complaint is that newbies can't get free shit because they haven't grinded enough to make an abundance of coins, I'm unsympathetic. The game was like 33% off for the Holiday sale, so if you're a newbie you could easily use the money you saved from the sale to buy a loot box pack and make some quick coin before the event ends, and still get the base game + special holiday content for the price of the base game alone. If you're not a newbie and just don't play much, you get to buy less stuff without paying actual money. Tough shit.

I'm not sweeping anything under the rug. I just think you're acting a bit entitled if your first response to being given free loot boxes is that it "doesn't make up for" a free costume you didn't like.

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

e did get stages for free. We don't currently. We also did get costumes for free (first DLC pack), but don't currently.
And no, you don't "have to go buy costumes." Again, you can get them for free (don't confuse using in-game currency which can be acquired in-game for free as synonymous with using real cash). Does that require playing the game? Yeah. Sorta like conventional unlocks work. "Oh, but in conventional unlocks they weren't limited time only!" Yeah, but in conventional unlocks of the olden days you also didn't get new content added into your game for free indefinitely either. The launch was basically it, save expansion packs and maybe bug fix patches.

1. You knew damn well that we wasn't going to get costumes for free, that was obvious after the first pack. And you also know the reason why the AoT stage was something we had to pay for compared to the other stages. Use that point if the next stage we get isn't a collab stage and we have to pay for that.

2. Yes, you don't need to pay for lootboxes at all, but just like with SF5, it requires playing the game ALOT to get enough lootboxes to get plenty of coin or chances otherwise. That doesn't make it a great system, it's only "good" if you are the sort to play the game hardcore.

Does it suck that they're limited-time? Sure. It is fucking rad that nothing requires purchases with real money? Yes.

Again, it only doesn't require real money if you grinded enough beforehand in the process.

If your complaint is that newbies can't get free shit because they haven't grinded enough to make an abundance of coins, I'm unsympathetic. The game was like 33% off for the Holiday sale, so if you're a newbie you could easily use the money you saved from the sale to buy a loot box pack and make some quick coin before the event ends, and still get the base game + special holiday content for the price of the base game alone. If you're not a newbie and just don't play much, you get to buy less stuff without paying actual money. Tough shit.

That's just callous, not everyone will have free flowing cash to either buy the games they want or even have interest until well afterwards. And having them miss things because they wasn't there on time is not a good incentive either.
Maybe I am sticking for the newbs with this one, but I'm not going to pretend at all limited time runs is good at all because they aren't and will never be good, especially when tied to an RNG system like lootboxes.

I'm not sweeping anything under the rug. I just think you're acting a bit entitled if your first response to being given free loot boxes is that it "doesn't make up for" a free costume you didn't like.

I don't know where you got entitled from(and that's funny since you are acting entitled yourself with your response from above Mr. "I'm Unsympathetic to those unable to get the game before the limited time run starts".) but I do in fact have the right to complain and get pissed that one of the characters I use gets a legendary skin that's a freaking reskin of her typical fare rather than something extravagant like any other Legendary that I have to pay 3x the Coin for and it's suddenly okay because they gave me 5 free loot boxes(and where the hell did that come up? I never talked about that at all past it not salvaging Mei's terrible outfit for me.)

 

[Brute]

Your position seems to be predicated on the idea that Blizzard's system is not fair because not everyone has an equal amount of money and time to participate even if they want to. But the same could be said of literally anything due to the current world we live in. Overwatch offers some of the best deals with consist updates for the best prices, even if not every element of it caters to every consumer's idiosyncratic preferences. I never contested the notion that limited-time offers are annoying, but if you could get the Christmas content whenever the fuck you wanted to no one would pay real money for it since they'd just save-up the in-game money for a thousand years. And people do need to spend real money on this shit somewhere, otherwise Blizzard would have to start charging everyone real money for them mandatory, or possibly even start charging real money for new maps/characters if they want to keep pumping those out (don't bother pursuing the "if train" on that one). I'd much prefer the current system than having to pay real money for each addition, which is where most games are at.

You're appearing entitled because you expect them to make shit that's wholly convenient to you and you specifically. You said that you hated Mei's legendary skin (fair enough). Then you you get pissed about it, implying it needed to be better to "make up for" free crap (like you're entitled to something better). Then, you still complain that the costume you don't even like is too "expensive," despite it being free unless you don't get lucky and don't play the game much.

it's suddenly okay because they gave me 5 free loot boxes(and where the hell did that come up? I never talked about that at all past it not salvaging Mei's terrible outfit for me.)

It came up naturally because I'm talking about Blizzard's chosen business model for releasing new content and because you said it "doesn't make up for" Mei's costume. If you want to complain about Mei's costume, go ahead. It's shit. But roping that into a discussion about getting free shit is obviously going to make it a discussion point. I'm not entitled for appreciating free content when it's offered. I'm grateful for it, which is the opposite.

 

[Matt Ponton]

I just buy lootboxes. Not that big of a deal to me.

 

[Patrick Wimmer]

How long will this event keep going? =)

 

[Argentus]

I just buy lootboxes. Not that big of a deal to me.

I do once in a while, but always regret it because it's only sprays and voice lines.

it bugs the hell out of me, because I could totally understand if I've already had a ton unlocked, then it's fine for me to come across stuff I already have.

But every character is only at 16 or below, most of which are sprays and voice lines, yet rng loot boxes keep ONLY GIVING ME THE SAME VOICE LINES AND SPRAYS.

like, if I pay actual money, bought lootboxes should at least have a higher chance for good items, yaknow?

How long will this event keep going? =)

january 2nd.

 

[Brute]

 

[SilverForte]

I havent bought a single loot box, I just use my credits to get the few things I want. I dont really like the business model with limited time skins, but eh. At least its all cosmetic.

 

[CFW]

New update is a little glitchy for me. The Oasis map is pretty, though.

 

[Brute]

Blizzard has no fucking idea what they're doing with Symmetra.

 

[Argentus]

Blizzard has no fucking idea what they're doing with Symmetra.

buff to turrets, and ability to drop a shield generator, both good.

changing her gun to autotarget and superdrain health, as well as deployable, flying reinhardt shield? Bad.

 

[Brute]

It was always an auto-target weapon. They just extended the range.

 

[Patrick Wimmer]

It was always an auto-target weapon. They just extended the range.

Her beam should get damage nerf since you just have to make it lock on a target and it will die fast. A gun that you don't have to aim with should'nt have so high damage. IMO

 

[Argentus]

It was always an auto-target weapon. They just extended the range.

it was? I didn't play her much before, didn't realize that.

 

[XZero264]

Pretty sure they wanted a Void Ray somewhere outside of Starcraft.
I was using her quite a bit last night and feel that the range increase is probably the only thing she didn't need.

Btw the Diablo 20 anniversary thing going on in D3 is pretty awesome. You guys get your Overwatch log in icon and sprays?