What would be the most disappointing thing that DOA 6 can have?

[Awesmic]

I hate when people reply with that. That is basically giving blatant bs a pass. I know I'm not the only that think/see that Christie is way too unfair in this game

Christie used to have a guard break that is +15 on block no matter how long it's charged and guarantees a free 6p stun (4p+k). In the wall game, this was very problematic, as Christie's neutral game after a wall throw all but guaranteed a free stun if the opponent chooses to block on wakeup rather than sidestep. That is considered unfair, and was justifyingly nerfed after Vanilla DOA5. Now, Christie has to fully charge 4p+k in order to get that guaranteed 6p for stun pressure. And under normal circumstances, the opportunities to land it are very few.

Also, Christie's 9k used to be hold resistant and went through opponents (which was ideal for open space, but not opposite the wall), but not anymore. In addition, 7pp used to have a lift stun property, but has been reduced to a string with a small stun and is holdable in any interval of the string.

I hope this (along with the small gift I gave you in private) helps to shed some light on how bad the Christie matchup could've been compared to her current incarnation. At the end of the day, some players just utilize her strengths and minimize on exploiting her weaknesses very well. But she is not unfair in her current state, much less unbeatable. The best advice I can give you is to not give her an opportunity to mix you up near the wall and keep her honest in the open by tracking if necessary. Few characters can do that, such as Ayane for instance.

 

[Onryoki]

Hope I'm wrong @King Anubis, hope I'm wrong... Hopefully TN will thank their loyal fans/community by keeping the roster safe.

Why do you want Gen Fu gone though ? How can you hate a lovely old fart like him, a veteran on top of that ?

1. He’s not relevant to the story anymore.
2. He’s tired.
3. I hate him.
4 I want seigen gone.
That’s why I want him gone.

 

[Project Bokuho]

3. I hate him.

I assume this is the main reason? l0l

 

[Awesmic]

1. He’s not relevant to the story anymore.
2. He’s tired.
3. I hate him.
4 I want seigen gone.
That’s why I want him gone.

So you hate him because of one player.

That's... a bit extreme. That's like me saying I want Ibuki gone from the SF franchise because a particularly known Japanese SF player figuratively raped my soul with her online in Super SF4 back when I played it. Granted, I have my annoyances with her, and it would make me feel better in the short term, but deep down I know it's wrong 'cause I didn't consider the many other folks who like the character.

 

[Brute]

1) DOA6 turning into loli central. Marie Rose and Honoka, alright, but please spare us DOAX's Misaki and even more moeblobs as new characters. Lolis are already covered more than enough.

Moeblobs I get, but lolis? Only one of those three characters could be considered a loli by any context.

Nioh, [...] the texture quality isn't the best either.

I beg to differ. Nioh is easily the best-looking game on PS4 outside of Naughty Dog's stuff and Horizon. Sure you can nit-pick the occasional texture, but overall the textures, lighting and animations are all great, and hosted by excellent art direction.
It does have some performance hiccups, though. Some obnoxious aliasing and framerate dips, etc.

5) Staying with the cringey rap music. Dead or Alive was always accompanied by rock music. It fits the fast and hard action of a fighting game best. Rock has class and stays relevant for a long time, cheaply done rap is outdated faster than *insert fast rapper here* raps.

I'll actually be disappointed if we don't get new character themes like DOA1-4 (good ones, of course). Character themes really help to establish the identity of characters in games with large rosters.

 

[Onryoki]

I assume this is the main reason? l0l

Yes it is.

So you hate him because of one player.

That's... a bit extreme. That's like me saying I want Ibuki gone from the SF franchise because a particularly known Japanese SF player figuratively raped my soul with her online in Super SF4 back when I played it. Granted, I have my annoyances with her, and it would make me feel better in the short term, but deep down I know it's wrong 'cause I didn't consider the many other folks who like the character.

Don’t assume, I never said I hated him because of one specific player, i want him gone because of one specific player along with other reasons. I hate Gen and I want him to leave, seigen would leave as well so that’s only a perk along with gen fu’s departure.

 

[Project Bokuho]

Yes it is.



Don’t assume, I never said I hated him because of one specific player, i want him gone because of one specific player along with other reasons. I hate Gen and I want him to leave, seigen would leave as well so that’s only a perk along with gen fu’s departure.

What do you have against Seigen?

 

[Brute]

What do you have against Seigen?

You can read about it in the Wall of Shame thread.

Let's not get too sidetracked.

 

[Awesmic]

Don’t assume, I never said I hated him because of one specific player, i want him gone because of one specific player along with other reasons. I hate Gen and I want him to leave, seigen would leave as well so that’s only a perk along with gen fu’s departure.

And now we're even...

 

[Tyaren]

Moeblobs I get, but lolis? Only one of those three characters could be considered a loli by any context.

All three are definitely "moeblobs", and in my understanding of the definition of a lolita they are lolitas too:
"Lolita" and "loli" has come to be used as a general reference to girls considered sexually precocious."
"Lolita is used to refer to a young girl, frequently one who has only recently reached the age of consent, appears to be younger than the age of consent."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_(term)
All three look and act really young and immature and are clearly sexualized at the same time by developers in an attempt to attract a certain audience. (Honoka having a huge rack doesn't really count her out of that. Many girls start to develop a womanly body already at the age of 10.)
They are also claimed to be 18. The Western porn industry is doing literally the exact same thing and the marketing term for that is: "lolita".

I beg to differ. Nioh is easily the best-looking game on PS4 outside of Naughty Dog's stuff and Horizon. Sure you can nit-pick the occasional texture, but overall the textures, lighting and animations are all great, and hosted by excellent art direction.
It does have some performance hiccups, though. Some obnoxious aliasing and framerate dips, etc..

Where exactly do you beg to differ though? I didn't say Nioh was a bad looking game, you seem to also think Naughty Dog and Guerrilla Games put out some of the best looking games on PS4 and you just reiterated exactly the couple of problems with Nioh's graphics/tech that I mentioned: Performance and image quality and some texturing that is not considered the best.

 

[Jadeinchains]

All jokes aside...Lisa actually being dead. That would be the most disappointing thing to me that doa6 could have. So...please don't tn lol.

And yeah new character themes for all the characters would be really awesome, I'm okay that the old characters didn't get new themes in doa5 but I'd like it if they did now for doa6 since they haven't since doa4 and they're really great at making themes. ( Doa has really amazing themes! ) So it would be really cool to see the characters get new ones. Don't need to but it would just be awesome to see.

There's not really much I can think besides little things I'm just hoping for tbh, I'm honestly just excited to see it get revealed and all the speculation with that and it finally releasing etc. The only thing that would actually be disappointing to me would be Lisa not being in it.

 

[Awesmic]

What the hell, I'll bite on this topic.

The most disappointing thing that DOA6 can have is something I can't be disappointed about, 'cause apparently if there's nothing wrong with the game, it's too "boring" to talk about, and thus it falls under the radar. There, I said it.

 

[HHH816]

remove gen fu? there certain market for gen fu in japan if you know what i mean

 

[Tyaren]

All jokes aside...Lisa actually being dead. That would be the most disappointing thing to me that doa6 could have. So...please don't tn lol.

As you know, I like to joke about this a lot, but now serious talk:
Lisa's not dead. If Team Ninja's intention was to actually kill Lisa off or even just to imply that Lisa was maybe killed off, they did an absolutely terrible job. XD Sure, TN doesn't have Academy Award winning script writers or directors, but their guys certainly have as much knowledge and experience to stage a real death or a faked death properly.
Killing off one of the series' mainstay characters would be an event that they would've relished in much more. That would actually have been the most momentous part in the whole story mode after Kasumi's fake death scene (repeating this would also be so lame, lol). You know, Lisa being this shady, morally ambiguous character that actually turns to the good side, aiding the heroes and sacrificing herself in the process.
Instead the alleged death scene lacks complete impact and afterwards there's no mention whatsoever too. Neither the other characters in the story address it nor does Team Ninja with fans. Outside of here I haven't actually heard or seen this matter addressed at all. Lisa being dead is basically just an isolated meme in here.

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

remove gen fu? there certain market for gen fu in japan if you know what i mean

Spoiler: dont read this jade pls

i still want lisa to have a cyborg arm n maybe a kewl eyepatch. luchadora scientist cyborg ladyyy

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

I think Lisa's death scene was just an opportunity for TN to remove her if they want to. Just an option. Not once and for all, but like, she does not have priority for the Vanilla version.

 

[T..J. Bernard]

Let me add some input to this myself. Really good discussion so far. My good list of things that’d disappoint me are:

1) the return of Alpha
2) no good buildup on story
3) brothers getting only 20 costumes again
4) DOA being oversexualized with ryona’s and stuff
5) bland new characters (I still feel honoka, marie rose, & this misaki character’s bland to me)
6) no improvement on gameplay (sidestep, “safe throws”, etc)
7) no enticing guest characters
8) overpriced season passes
9) no role in the story for momiji & rachel
10) no expansion on tourney’s
11) no improvement on netcode (though online’s whatever. I don’t care for it anymore. I just bs now)
12) they take the tekken route (no tutorial, in-game frame data, etc)
13) no improvement on characters
14) Rig isn’t SSS/U tier (nah I’m joking or am I???)

 

[Onryoki]

Let me add some input to this myself. Really good discussion so far. My good list of things that’d disappoint me are:

1) the return of Alpha
2) no good buildup on story
3) brothers getting only 20 costumes again
4) DOA being oversexualized with ryona’s and stuff
5) bland new characters (I still feel honoka, marie rose, & this misaki character’s bland to me)
6) no improvement on gameplay (sidestep, “safe throws”, etc)
7) no enticing guest characters
8) overpriced season passes
9) no role in the story for momiji & rachel
10) no expansion on tourney’s
11) no improvement on netcode (though online’s whatever. I don’t care for it anymore. I just bs now)
12) they take the tekken route (no tutorial, in-game frame data, etc)
13) no improvement on characters
14) Rig isn’t SSS/U tier (nah I’m joking or am I???)

1. Doubt alpha will return since she basically died in the story.

I agree with points 2,4,7,8,9, 11 &13.
I can't really agree with point 5 since they got added after vanilla and only got a bio, we don't really know their personality yet. And I don't get why misaki is included in your point since she never appeared in 5 and isn't even familiar in the fighting franchise. She got announced for Venus vacation so let her stay there.

 

[Jadeinchains]

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Spoiler: dont read this jade pls

i still want lisa to have a cyborg arm n maybe a kewl eyepatch. luchadora scientist cyborg ladyyy

*Oh no is this about the cyborg thing...*

*opens and reads*

...............

And that's true I guess @Tyaren that they would have made it more dramatic If it was going to be her actually dying..Still I don't know If they'll decide to make it a thing so I just hope it isn't. When doa6 gets revealed I'll be so excited to see that Lisa is in and playable!

 

[T..J. Bernard]

1. Doubt alpha will return since she basically died in the story.

I agree with points 2,4,7,8,9, 11 &13.
I can't really agree with point 5 since they got added after vanilla and only got a bio, we don't really know their personality yet. And I don't get why misaki is included in your point since she never appeared in 5 and isn't even familiar in the fighting franchise. She got announced for Venus vacation so let her stay there.

5, I feel this way with honoka & marie rose, and it’s not entirely their fault, but because they literally only had a bio. I felt that if they added a character episode or something, then I’ll have some intrigue but they didn’t. Also Honoka being another copy character was a huge bust to me. Misaki for me because from what I’m looking at so far, I don’t feel any intrigue from her. Yeah she works on Zack island or whatever her purpose is in DOAx3 (don’t really look at much to care) but from that, it’s just bland to me. I won’t be overly critical since I don’t think she even came out yet and it is DOAx3, but I can’t say she has substance either.