*Looks to the left and to the right*
*Proceeds to Necro 3 month old topic I really want to add in my thoughts*
@Brute @CyberEvil You both have permission to end me for Necro'ing this thread.
I didn't really want to necro this thread...but I honestly...had to after witnessing some of the stuff for Street Fighter V when it comes to the stream chat, it's fans and otherwise but first, I want to obviously stay on the topic question for the moment:
Basically Force of Nature is right, this was NEVER meant to be a competitive fighting game till DOA5 Alpha. This could easily have been placed on the same level of Smash and that's that(and we've SEEN the hatred for Smash, it's like the sun in most FGC circles) but that changed with the Alpha and the slogan of "I'm a Fighter".
And as someone brought up...casual fans did not take to the decreased levels of fanservice(Hell I was one of them) but for me, the reason wasn't for anything pornographic, it's because I seen it as desperation and I hated it. I seen as the way of turning Blazblue into Guilty Gear(in terms of aethestics and characters) and Tekken into Street Fighter or even removing the fatalities and blood and gore of Mortal Kombat(see MKvsDC for how THAT turned out) because...that IS Dead or Alive, a game that uses it's blatant and devil-may-care fanservice as a means to get people to see what the game truly is: A damn good and deep 3D fighting game that had it's ups and downs. And even then, would there REALLY been a huge change? No because Dead or Alive's stigma has always been that way because it was ALWAYS marketed that way(it DID get worse with the Xtreme Series, but it was mainly with Xtreme 2 since again past Dimensions, this was the ONLY other DOA game for 6-7 YEARS).
Now I can and will agree that yes, The Gravure Scenes(which you still have to buy with DLC but I digress) do not help the mindset at all...but again, this problem...still really isn't a problem when most people hyperinflate how truly bad the fanservice really is...
-The Photo Mode can easily be used to get some awesome pictures(as you can easily find here, Facebook pages and otherwise) and not just perverted ones)
-The Jiggle Physics can be turned off or lowered since DOA5 Vanilla
-None of the costumes...are really all that overly sexualized(and the few that are either comes from other games, collabs or are people going nuts over certain bikinis...) and almost all of them are DLC by default meaning again, you don't even need to buy them.
Hell, I've had someone tell me that the Wet & Dirt effects are meant to be sexualized(The hell? The Wet effects I can see somewhat if someone is wearing a white shirt but really?) and that the game is somehow misogynistic(now that's worth one hell of a good laugh as someone has never played the game). But then after awhile, I just honestly felt like "What is the point of converting those that don't want to care?", I mean, is it REALLY that hard to even look up the cast of characters to see that until DOA5LR the cast had more males than females and now actually has a slight female lead? I mean isn't this what people asked for? To have a good equal level playing field for female characters with males? But because it's DOA mind...
But then a series of events happened...which shows me how hypocritical the FGC truly is...and ALL OF IT happened with SFV:
-Why is it everytime I go to a stream of SF5 ever since R.Mika and Cammy, people have going CRAZY whenever Cammy does her Round 1 victory pose and damn near everything R.Mika does?
-Ever since Laura, it's been even WORSE in that regard(to the point Laura being playable for one of the tourneys recently had streamchat going crazy like wolves)
-Why do I even see PRO PLAYERS making light of the fanservice compared to those who whine and complain about it?(Infiltration has been joking around with R.Mika and I know one pro player did the same with R.Mika and Laura in the Character Select)
-Hell, why is THIS:
A thing(Karin's was added recently but this came from a Twitter post of a SF player)
-Even the modding scene of Street Fighter V is going crazy already and ripped the models of all the characters already and I seen one which gives R.Mika even crazier breast sizes.
It should be obvious after awhile that a good majority of those who play SF...DON'T CARE. They probably don't really even care about Dead or Alive but just don't play 3D fighting games seriously, what's actually going on is those who want to prove that their game is "super serious" and afraid of being seen as anything less.
These are people who honestly are not gamers or even Street Fighter fans if you want to be frank and really SHOULD NOT be paid attention to, if ever, for the simple fact that fanservice will not or ever kill a legit fighting game(in the same way MK9 and MKX has been fighting to be a true fighting game since ONLY UNTIL THEN, only UMK3 was tourney worthy and that series STILL gets slandered in the same way KI does)
Despite the hurdles DOA is STILL going through, there's finally a true healthy Japanese meetups since the Arcade release, we finally know the existence of freaking Korean players as well as a small European set that may have issues and it's still growing and like it or not, Dead or Alive IS getting more and more recognition by the day of NOT just being a fanservice game(Yes, people still try to deny it but it's pretty obvious that from last year till now, people ARE and HAVE been taking notice). Remember, we SURVIVED Injustice and guess what died(yes I know the reason why that game died in the tourney scene but again, DOA with it's rep really shouldn't have survived this long compared to how much exposure Injustice got) and what's still going on? Maybe i have faith because there has sadly been way too many games that fell of the cracks in the West for dumb reasons that are actually great fighting games no one gave a chance(Arcana Heart and Vanguard Princess and until recently Skullgirls).
Ultimately, I know I'm passionate as fuck about this game with the only reason of me not being able to hit any tournies is me being jobless, we know that the main reason we can't always get the huge numbers is because of travel issues. But honestly, I believe one of the main reasons of DOA being denied(seen only as fanservice) has been replaced with a new reason(People refusing to acknowledge it as a proper fighting game) and that is what people should be tackling.
Alright I'm done with this huge rant, seriously had to get it off my chest. And since I have no ideas of how necro'ing works on this site, Mods...do what you will, atleast I got this out before the thread can be locked normally.
