Ryu Hayabusa: The Thinking Man's Super Ninja

[CyberEvil]

His moves that appear to put him in an aerial state are in fact susceptible to mids and lows. Actually, this seems to affect the entire cast as I found getting knocked out of the air happens with a degree of frequency we've never seen before. Honestly it's very frustrating initially, but it forces you to be a bit more tactful in your approach instead of just leaping across the screen because you can. Regardless of how you look at it, you can expect sweeps to inexplicably ground you during moves that don't really look like they can be hit with lows.

Also, everything Eliot does will smack you out of the air. Everything. Get used to it, accept it, and move on. Annoying little bastard.

 

[Brute]

So then for attacks like Hayate's running 66KKK, could you potentially duck and pull them out of it with a low attack rather than using a mid-kick counter (those do count as jumping kicks so they're mid attacks and not high, correct)?

 

[CyberEvil]

A sweep might do it. If you're trying to just attack them out of it, you'd want a true mid. Honestly that's a waste. A hold would get more damage and still get the knockdown. A sidestep and punish is even better.

 

[Brute]

Yeah, I should really learn the sidestep mechanic better. I'm used to 4, and as such try to end them with counters. I just wasn't sure with the reduced frames for counters I've been hearing about in 5 if that's as safe to do.

 

[TakedaZX]

A sweep might do it. If you're trying to just attack them out of it, you'd want a true mid. Honestly that's a waste. A hold would get more damage and still get the knockdown. A sidestep and punish is even better.

Wait I don't understand that, it's a mid high mid string. Wouldn't that mean the first knee would catch the person trying to duck them or sweep them out of it? And if they're trying to block then duck sweep, wouldn't the high kick or jumping mid still crush their low?

 

[MajesticBlue]

Are there real mixups off of 4K and 33P on block? His 9 frame jab can beat slower counter attack options but still. Do you happen to know if 2F+K still crushes mids?

Like I said. I feel bad because I'm gonna ask more questions then I can answer. Maybe for the next Doa I can learn how to test things on the fly a little better.

 

[Brute]

Wait I don't understand that, it's a mid high mid string. Wouldn't that mean the first knee would catch the person trying to duck them or sweep them out of it? And if they're trying to block then duck sweep, wouldn't the high kick or jumping mid still crush their low?

IIRC, all jumping kicks count as mid-kicks for the counter-system. I'm not exactly sure how they respond to ducks, hence my curiosity.

 

[TakedaZX]

IIRC, all jumping kicks count as mid-kicks for the counter-system. I'm not exactly sure how they respond to ducks, hence my curiosity.

The 1st two aren't counted as jumping though. If they did that, it'd have to be the same for Ein and Hitomi because they share the same knee, only the last as far as my knowledge goes on it. I was checking the frame data online too, says that the high kick is a high kick counter divert... so I don't know if that means that it only gives a sidestep on a hold... meh. Idk.

 

[TRI Mike]

This sounds very cool. I mained Busa along with Hele in DOA4 and wasn't interested in him because I thought he was the same thing with an air grab. But now that you mention how he changed, I'd love to try him out. I heard he's very slow now.

 

[AKNova7]

Honestly I'd stop playing the Alpha now. The more time you put into it the more confused Hayabusa will make you in the final game. Probably safe to play Hitomi and maybe Ayane in it, but Hayabusa has seen massive tweaks and changes to his moveslist. Hayate also is a bit different but still is dumb enough to walk under the opponent during his own juggles. He's special.

Which is why after leaving DOA4 sometime in 2007 for DOA3, when I bought 4 again in 2012, I didn't spend much time on the game, and even less on Ayane. I knew she was very top tier in 4, so I knew that she'd probably end up changing a lot in terms of BnBs, so I played Lisa for a game instead.

 

[CyberEvil]

See I wrote that last post in bed and I'm still trying to sleep. When I wake up later I'll take the time to explain better. In short, lows can sometimes knock you out of things they have no business messing with. Mids too.

And Hayabusa isn't slower. Just different. If anything he's faster.

 

[TakedaZX]

See I wrote that last post in bed and I'm still trying to sleep. When I wake up later I'll take the time to explain better. In short, lows can sometimes knock you out of things they have no business messing with. Mids too.

And Hayabusa isn't slower. Just different. If anything he's faster.

Alright then, It's not that I don't believe that either, it's just i'm trying to visualize it but i can't, partially because I don't own a dead or alive game atm so i can't test it.

 

[Chaos]

From what im reading now it sounds like Hayabusa is still a badass ninja. im glad somebody is giving us some info. about him. p.s. People hate Hayabusa because he kick their asses lol HARDCORE NINJA STYLE

 

[TakedaZX]

From what im reading now it sounds like Hayabusa is still a badass ninja. im glad somebody is giving us some info. about him. p.s. People hate Hayabusa because he kick their asses lol HARDCORE NINJA STYLE

Evasive, and quick, while retaining the deadliness. Something Hayate doesn't really understand at all ._.

 

[TRI Mike]

It's very weird that this guy hasn't seen much attention. Specially since Manny wasn't at the last two "big events" with the last builds. At most of the other players have focused on non-shinobi.

 

[TakedaZX]

It's very weird that this guy hasn't seen much attention. Specially since Manny wasn't at the last two "big events" with the last builds. At most of the other players have focused on non-shinobi.

Yea, you'd think he would be. Considering the ninja's are lower tier, than before, It'd be understandable, but he's classified as a grappler, and I mean, lets be honest here it's Ryu Hayabusa...super ninja...

 

[Dr. Teeth]

I believe that because Master won the first IPL event at e3, he's not allowed to attend the others. No idea why he wasn't at GVN though.

Can Hayabusa still Izuna off of some ledges like he could in 2U and 4?

 

[CyberEvil]

I was the only Hayabusa main at GVN. I saw two other people using him, one that I didn't know and...was hopefully just messing around with him and Gren Kuts. Not sure if Gren Kuts mains him or was using him just for the hell of it.

In any case, to expound a bit on the lows hitting aerial moves and low crushes sometimes, it's not too much different than a character trying a jump kick to crush a rising kick and missing it. The window is relatively small but low-crushing attacks are still vulnerable to lows. If I had to guess, all that happened is the active frames on the attack are a bit later than we're used to from previous DoA titles. I'll grab Rikuto to try and explain a bit more but that's what I figured from it all. A lot of attacks getting stuffed that didn't look like they should at that point. Again, Eliot seems to be capable of shutting down nearly everything at range if he wants to and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole reason was the frame data on a lot of the moves I was using is simply a little different.

I believe that because Master won the first IPL event at e3, he's not allowed to attend the others. No idea why he wasn't at GVN though.

Can Hayabusa still Izuna off of some ledges like he could in 2U and 4?

Manny has only been barred from competing at one event so far in the States. He absolutely could have come to GVN. I'm not sure he would have come anyway, but I do know he was helping out Tecmo at the Gamestop event in Texas literally the day after GVN ended. That very well could have been the whole reason.

As for the Izuna, yes he can, and he can also Izuna through floors like on the Oil Rig.

EDIT: Actually, while I THINK I remember doing it, I don't know that I ever actually tested doing the Izuna off a cliff. I'm asking a couple people to confirm right now and I'll remove this edit if it does still work or confirm that it doesn't. I'm almost positive. No clue why I didn't make it a point to check because I know I wanted to test it before I got my hands on it...

 

[Brute]

As for the Izuna, yes he can, and he can also Izuna through floors like on the Oil Rig.

Wait, he can smash through the floor with an Izuna, dropping the match down to a lower floor?
Nice.

 

[CyberEvil]

Yes he can. Any hard knockdown will go through floors in this one, including a counter blow into a tripping animation. That actually is unfortunate lol.