That seems like it would get rather frustrating, but an Izuna through the floor I must admit would be pretty badass. I'd imagine it would net quite a sum of damage as well.
Ryu Hayabusa: The Thinking Man's Super Ninja
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Yeah the floor thing will interrupt you to be sure. Can't play a force tech game at all when it happens.
As for the Izuna off of ledges thing, I just got confirmation back that, at least in the .95 build, you CAN NOT Izuna off of ledges. It was tested on Flow, presumably in the area that allows a clean knock off of the raft and not through the cliffhanger. Dude knows his shit so I believe him. So while it's not 100% confirmed to be out, there's a good chance it is.
Damnit.
As for the Izuna off of ledges thing, I just got confirmation back that, at least in the .95 build, you CAN NOT Izuna off of ledges. It was tested on Flow, presumably in the area that allows a clean knock off of the raft and not through the cliffhanger. Dude knows his shit so I believe him. So while it's not 100% confirmed to be out, there's a good chance it is.
Damnit.
Agreed. I'm almost positive I did it, though. Still possible it's in the final build, so all hope is not lost yet.
EDIT: Somebody else just told me they did it in this build on End of the Earth, which is the level I'm almost positive I did. I'll let them post up if they want to, but it may be level-specific.
EDIT: Somebody else just told me they did it in this build on End of the Earth, which is the level I'm almost positive I did. I'll let them post up if they want to, but it may be level-specific.
That's what I meant. He couldn't attend the second IPL event since he won the first one. To be honest, I wasn't even expecting him to show up at GVN even if he was able to go.
Also, another quick question. Is Hayabusa's throw from his handstand still his only offensive hold, or has he gained more since the alpha demo?
TakedaZX
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Yea, makes sense. I could see it for the 1st two hits in particular.
The first one doesn't crush, it's just a flying knee, and his back leg is still down.
The second kick he switches legs so, but the changed leg is still low enough.
The 3rd's a complete low crush though.
What Ryu moves are misleading on low crush ability?
That's the only one he has.
It's a game-wide thing. It's not just Ryu that gets hit when he shouldn't or vice versa.
MajesticBlue
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Do you think that his handstand oh will have any real uses in neutral? Since I enjoy over thinking things, it is still an oh, a tool not everyone has. First thought was he can do it pretty quick with 34T. Nah, he has to have better options then going for that.
He's better and has more tools but he's even more technical now. He'll ultimately end up in the upper tiers again most likely but it's hard to say for sure. A lot of characters, particularly Bass, Eliot, and Brad Wong, were improved massively over 4 so we'll see.
I actually had a question. When on the wall (7P against a wall), you seem to be able to press P again to do his headbutt lunge, or the throw button to do his guillotine throw from off the wall. Is there any command that let's him flip high over his enemy's head from off a wall (not an actual attack, but rather a maneuver), or are those his only two wall options?
He can still kick off of the wall by pressing K when he flips into it, which vaults him high up and over the other player. It's almost always a terrible idea, though, unless the enemy commits to a move with a ton of recovery. As you aren't doing anything to the other player, they'll just be able to twiddle their thumbs until they decide what to bludgeon you with, have time for a drink, and then do it.
I find quite a few of the flashier moves like that. For example, unlike in DOA4 where the teleports could really keep the pressure up, in DOA5 the delay time after one of the standard teleport attacks (not the attack ones, ie: kick, hammerfist, throw) seems to give the other player plenty of time to hammer you after appearing next to them within range. And at least as far as I can tell, he only he the side directions to spawn to.
Glad to hear that's in there, though. I like those sorts of things, even if rarely applicable. I tend to be as if not more concerned with flare than victory, which I'm sure works to my opponent's favor more often than not.
Was she not able to in Dimensions? I only fought her in 4, and in that her entire moveset consisted of:
1) Teleport away from nearly every attack.
2) Zip across the entire screen for a throw that takes out over half your health.
3) Zip across half the screen with some ridiculous kick combo that also wipes out 1/3-/12 your total health.
She could in Dimensions but I'm not sure the player could do it. Either way, keep Alpha 152 talk out of the Super Ninja's thread damnit!
In any case, his teleports are no better or worse than in 4. He's still teleporting in at neutral, it's just that if the opponent decides to start doing a move that tracks when they see you start to do something out of Ongyoin they're going to be several frames into their attack by the time you appear. This puts you at an artificial disadvantage where you have to block. If you want frame advantage you should be playing his guard break game hard since those are now his best ways to get it and he has a bunch of moves with that property. Otherwise you're just playing DoA5 'Busa wrong.
In any case, his teleports are no better or worse than in 4. He's still teleporting in at neutral, it's just that if the opponent decides to start doing a move that tracks when they see you start to do something out of Ongyoin they're going to be several frames into their attack by the time you appear. This puts you at an artificial disadvantage where you have to block. If you want frame advantage you should be playing his guard break game hard since those are now his best ways to get it and he has a bunch of moves with that property. Otherwise you're just playing DoA5 'Busa wrong.
I'm sure I am. My only real experience is the now-outdated Alpha build against a very lackluster AI Hitomi/Ryu.
I could be wrong, because it's been a while since I played DOA4, but didn't Ryu have a third directional teleport that threw you either in front or behind the enemy, rather than limiting you to the sides? I could be totally wrong on that.
Also, I can't seem to pull off the wall flip in the demo with the K button. Tried it over and over and over again. Either I'm terribly messing up a simple input, or it's not in that demo build.
There are less moves in Ongyoin in the Alpha. He has more moves and attacks from it in the final build. I have done the flip off of the wall in the Alpha build, though. It is with K, just as it is in the older games. Check out my Youtube channel for my matches against Rikuto because I know it's in a few of those matches. Rikuto also smacked me across the level pretty much every time I did it too.
Excellent.
Out of curiosity: as of the latest build you've played, is the Shoho-Izuna still only available from the ongyoin, or did they re-allow it to be done with the old standing input? For balancing reasons, it's probably better the way it is in the Alpha, but it would be kinda nice to go right into it.
Also, is there any difference between the 1P+K and 2P+K Ongyoin? It seems like the 2P+K is faster, but I haven't had time to test 'em. Maybe 1 had a step-back?