"Now For Business..." General DOA5 Christie Gameplay Discussion
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Lei
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I didn't misunderstand you, I am telling you there is a use for it just not as you are using it.
Lei
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It's not on CH stun that it is unholdable, it is unholdable in sharing stun. To test this accurately with AI put stun holding on fastest mid punch, then put stun escape off, then do 214p and do 3pp
Scornwell
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Ahhhhh, now I think I know what you're talking about. It is true that after 214P, the 3PP is unholdable, and here's why:
3P by itself creates a +38 stun on CH or in a stun (without SE). When you use 214P before the attack, the 3P follow up hits the opponent exactly on the second active frame, turning the +38 into a +39 and making the 2nd P of 3PP unholdable. There's the problem with that, though, and you will notice it if you set the CPU to use 214P 3PP against you. The first 3P has about a 50% rate of whiffing at the extended distance Christie is at after 214P, and if it whiffs while your opponent tries to hold a mid punch, the hold will be buffered during his/her initial hitstun and come out... right when the second P of 3PP would connect
Sorry for the confusion! If you meant something else, then by all means correct me.
Lei
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It doesn't work from just 214P it's any stun share, to test with AI do it with ~[p] as well.
The 214p was just an example to test with AI.
the 214P doesn't guarantee a 3PP 214P on shake is +16 I believe, 3PP is i16. It's merely a test example to work with AI.
GigaPhenix
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So any tips on baiting to get her 3p+k throw. I usually do it after 2 situations. 1. after I've got them blocking or just plain afraid to attack. 2. or when they are near a wall after a force tech with her 1g+k p combo. I know I run the risk of being low thrown but I try my best to actually use all of her moves to the fullest. Could I do it after her 214p, would that be safer?
ILYA✰
Active Member
Now that Christie's 1kp2pk doesnt exist anymore,
Has anyone found good use for 1kp2p?
For sharing stun the stun it leaves is too slow for launch.... Got to practice more with this string..
Ok so the stun allows a 13frame attak to connect.
The only useful setup for me would be to use the string near a wall, then follow with 7k for wall bounce and then follow with any combo...
Has anyone found good use for 1kp2p?
For sharing stun the stun it leaves is too slow for launch.... Got to practice more with this string..
Ok so the stun allows a 13frame attak to connect.
The only useful setup for me would be to use the string near a wall, then follow with 7k for wall bounce and then follow with any combo...
Scornwell
Active Member
I wouldn't try it after 214p, it only stuns with +25 w/o SEing which gives an opponent plenty of time to react to the 37i it takes to use her Shutai throw after 3p+k. A safer stun to use that throw after would be 7p or 4k on CH. Also, after using her 7k backflip to knockdown, you can roll under a mid wakeup kick, but this one is reeally risky.
Scornwell
Active Member
With correct timing, yes. Too early and she'll eat a counter hit stun. Too late and the opponent can easily see the attack coming and block/counter. It's awesome if you time it right, though.Is Christie completely wake-up kick safe with
Lei
Member
Throw isnt worth the risk a lot of the time. Its worth it in low force tech setup establishments example is from low launch 2pp,6k jak, 2k. If you establish they are teching immediately to avoid force tech, instead of eating the -1 to -3 then cancel jack into 44throw/p. The throw itself rewards are good, standing reset leaving at +21 and 50 damage but its just too easy to identify a lot of the time.
Scornwell
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It's been kinda jumping back and forth. Last thing mentioned was Gigaphenix asking about the Shutai throw (3p+k in specific) and how to bait it.