Petition to bring back LEON as DLC!
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PJudge
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So every single character's style must be 100% accurate 100% of the time otherwise they aren't a viable character?
You'll have to excuse me, as I don't understand why this is such an issue that the style he uses isn't totally accurate. So it's only half-Sambo. The other half of his moves are entertaining, and bring uniqueness to his character. The inaccuracy of his moves isn't really a massive issue is it? I studied Ninjutsu for 3 years, and not once did I learn anything remotely similar to any of the ninjas. Does that mean that it bothers me that none of the ninjas show any resemblance to what I studied? No, not really. The point is that it's not that important. We're supposed to have fun with the game, if it bothers you that much, avoid Leon.
You'll have to excuse me, as I don't understand why this is such an issue that the style he uses isn't totally accurate. So it's only half-Sambo. The other half of his moves are entertaining, and bring uniqueness to his character. The inaccuracy of his moves isn't really a massive issue is it? I studied Ninjutsu for 3 years, and not once did I learn anything remotely similar to any of the ninjas. Does that mean that it bothers me that none of the ninjas show any resemblance to what I studied? No, not really. The point is that it's not that important. We're supposed to have fun with the game, if it bothers you that much, avoid Leon.
Guys .. I sent TN a tweet a couple days back..
I think it would be a good idea to re-tweet me and maybe back it up with a Leon related question of your own ..
I wanna try and get a response from them regarding Character DLC .. for DOA5+ (if he makes it there .. then most likely he'll make it into DOA5 via DLC later .. )
I think it would be a good idea to re-tweet me and maybe back it up with a Leon related question of your own ..
I wanna try and get a response from them regarding Character DLC .. for DOA5+ (if he makes it there .. then most likely he'll make it into DOA5 via DLC later .. )
Elite Venom
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^ this shows the level of immaturity you have, you obviously can't have an intelligent conversation with another member. I'm not even going to bother with a troll like you.
While they're at it, when they make DOA6 why don't they remove half the roster and sell that half as DLC? More money!!!
Raansu
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I can, but I choose not to. Being an ass is more fun.
Takeda-sama
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They don
It doesn't have to be 100% accurate but if it's an actual style it has to be accurate within reason. I don't see how the javelin throw could possibly be called 'accurate within reason'. Also, the 'ninjutsu' you studied (unless you're in Japan) is about as close to real ninjutsu as jiujitsu is to jujutsu -- It's not. The only remaining traditional ninjutsu school is located on the edge of Tokyo. That aside, the ninja's don't use proper ninjutsu and it says in Ayane's style (for example) that she does 'Mugen Tenshin ninjutsu'. That is not real ninjutsu. There is no such thing as 'mugen tenshin ninjutsu'. There IS such thing as 'Sambo'. Why is that so complicated for you to get through your head? Leon isn't in the game and the fact that his move set doesn't resemble his supposed style is part of the reason TN will probably never bring him back.
Takeda-sama
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Not gonna happen =P
Again, a moronic argument ..
Just like there isn't something called Mugen Tenshin Ninjitsu.. a fake martial art.
Why can't there be some other Sambo called, the Italian Turban Sambo !
Seriously ..Troll harder.
I don't think it was ever mentioned in any DOA that you are required to stick to the martial art you're titled with. Otherwise Rig and Brad shouldn't even have air grabs cuz they're unrealistic.. OH WAIT !? BUT THEY DO!
Takeda-sama
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If you call other people trolls for simply disagreeing civilly then you aren't very mature. That aside, it is historically true that ninjutsu has always been a fragmented art. It originated from the commoners need to defend themselves against the samurai and therefore, many simultaneous styles were developed. These later became independent clan styles hence there were (at the dawn of its creation at least) as many styles as there were significant clans. This would be a number in the hundreds, hence it makes sense to have a lesser known clan called 'Mugen Tenshin' which could have theoretically survived to this day (though factually we know this to be untrue, however the fiction still makes ACTUAL SENSE). The same does not extend to Sambo, which is a much newer art with only one form designed for use in the Russian military, hence the reason TN would be sacrificing at least some of their integrity to create 'the Italian Turban Sambo' and make that Leon's style, as well as the fact the change in style name would imply Leon was using a different style to the previous games, which he wouldn't be. In terms of Rig and Brad this is the last time I will repeat this specific point... Thats 1 move of an entire move set per character, not half (or perhaps more then half) of the move set. Rig and brad are both very good imitations of their actual styles with the exception of 1 or maybe 2 moves.Again, a moronic argument ..
Just like there isn't something called Mugen Tenshin Ninjitsu.. a fake martial art.
Why can't there be some other Sambo called, the Italian Turban Sambo !
Seriously ..Troll harder.
I don't think it was ever mentioned in any DOA that you are required to stick to the martial art you're titled with. Otherwise Rig and Brad shouldn't even have air grabs cuz they're unrealistic.. OH WAIT !? BUT THEY DO!
Kronin
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I understand what you mean Takeda, but at the same time i don't think that Team Ninja has ever stated their intention to create a game with martial arts portrayed more realistically possibile (like instead could be one of the purposes of AM2). If in the game there are already characters with unrealistic styles (also if invented), or moves completely impossibile (like Bankotsu-bo and Alpha 152's ones) I don't find an huge problem with the addition of a style existing but heavily changed with original moves.
If you are looking necessarily for giving it sense, would be enough say that Leon has modified his martial arts with moves of his own invention during his years in the desert.
If you are looking necessarily for giving it sense, would be enough say that Leon has modified his martial arts with moves of his own invention during his years in the desert.
PJudge
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So you're disregarding any form of Ninjutsu that wasn't studied in Japan as 'not Ninjutsu'? My sensei (who's been practising for 30+ years) would disagree with you, as that's where he studied. But this is a discussion for another time, as where I studied is irrelevant. At this point I'd like to point out that I'm not the godfather of knowledge about ninjutsu, but only sharing what I studied.The point I was making is that the fighting styles are not translated perfectly to the game.
Tina and Bass have catch throws that are unrealistic, but they made it in the game. In fact, Tina's is very unrealistic. They left Leon out for time reasons, not because of his 'unrealistic fighting style'.
im sure we could say the same of Bayman,the grapples are legit Sambo but everything else i believe is straight up brawling
Ignore him man .. He's a Troll.
How about making another Leon for DOA5 Contest !!!
Same rules as before, only since we're getting closer to Easter ... Easter themed Leon pics get extra points !!!
make the pic/vid/poem/t-shirt .. whatever...
Link it to TN's Facebook and Twitter (Show them you care!!)
(Haven't thought of a prize yet but I'll come up with something spicy
)You pansies up for it ?
PJudge
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I'm aware, I just wanted to see his opinion on other catch throws now!Ignore him man .. He's a Troll.
How about making another Leon for DOA5 Contest !!!
Same rules as before, only since we're getting closer to Easter ... Easter themed Leon pics get extra points !!!
make the pic/vid/poem/t-shirt .. whatever...
Link it to TN's Facebook and Twitter (Show them you care!!)
(Haven't thought of a prize yet but I'll come up with something spicy
You pansies up for it ?
Hell yes, I'm up for that. I've already got a plan! What could we have as a prize?
I ain't no pansy!
Ghosty-J
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Ignore him man .. He's a Troll.
How about making another Leon for DOA5 Contest !!!
Same rules as before, only since we're getting closer to Easter ... Easter themed Leon pics get extra points !!!
make the pic/vid/poem/t-shirt .. whatever...
Link it to TN's Facebook and Twitter (Show them you care!!)
(Haven't thought of a prize yet but I'll come up with something spicy
You pansies up for it ?
Not really Easter themed, but something I whipped up I wanted you to see. Just scroll down until you see Jann Lee : P
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/a-combination-of-boredom-and-too-much-doa5.1672/page-5
PJudge
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I saw this. It's genius. You're art style is just amazing. You should have submitted something like this in the last competition!
KwonJigglypuff
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Can I submit this weird tribute ?
I'll do something nicer later.
I'll do something nicer later.
Takeda-sama
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If HE studied there then that's different. That aside, I have already explained this point. The ninja characters use a fictional and relatively mystical style of ninjutsu, but this ninjutsu is still based on the actual mythology and martial history of ninjutsu. Seeing as you studied it yourself you probably know it originated from the commoners need to defend themselves against the samurai and from there proceeded to develop into styles unique to various clans. In this way it makes theoretical sense for a small time clan to survive to the present day, hence the mythical (and mystical) style of ninjutsu TN has presented. It's fiction based on history and mythology. Sambo does not have this history, and only really has a singular form, hence the reason I don't think it is within reason for TN to do the same with a Sambo character. Also, I don't really believe Tina and Bass have seriously unrealistic move sets. Maybe a few unrealistic moves from the entire move set, but not a totally unrealistic move set. My point is, Ayane for example is listed as using 'Mugen Tenshin ninjutsu'. That is in fact, the ninjutsu style of a mythical clan, a completely mythical style. Leon is listed in all previous doa games as using Sambo, a real martial art and he has an unrealistic move set, not several moves; move set. This is why I don't think he should be brought back. As far as I'm concerned, he would take away TN's efforts of accurately portraying other characters styles accurately.
** When I say Tina and Bass don't have unrealistic move sets I am of course meaning in terms of the style they are meant to portray, not their effectiveness in a real fight. Their move sets are relatively accurate portrayals of entertainment based wrestling.
Ghosty-J
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Thanks~. I could have, but I didn't think of it at the time since I'm a bit dim in the head D:
Can I submit this weird tribute ?
I'll do something nicer later.
This pic is a masterpiece ;_;
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