NG3 Making Folks Wary of DOA5

[virtuaPAI]

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-You are absolutely right! We have their attention, so it is only right we get the best out of the game. Go for broke, or nothing at all.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Be sure you communicate your points properly as well. Give them the info and feed back in ways they can be understand and work under.

 

[R4712-VR88]

Because I can destroy nearly everybody on 8way at that game, as well as everybody at the forums here at this game, I've pretty much earned the right to spew my garbage wherever I please. There's a reason I can do that and I'm not going to silence myself because what I have to say does not appeal to the ignorant.

Oh the "I'm better than you" deal. Yea, original.

When I've seen it on the wrong path, I've steered people away out of respect for their desire to play games that are not shitty.

I've already stated that if it does not develop closely enough along the lines of what I consider a competitive, playable game, I simply will not play it and I will steer as many people away as I can. That is the price of delivering a poor game.

You're doing it wrong. This is exactly what I'm pointing out. Just cause things don't work your way doesn't give you any damn right to go telling it off. All you're doing is coming to a forum that's here to support DOA and Team NINJA and just utterly insulting them. I don't give a fuck if that's how you think, you don't come here and do that. You can disagree on whatever shit you want but insulting the game and company is doing absolutely no good to them or the community.

Try being open minded for once Rikuto.

 

[Rikuto]

Oh the "I'm better than you" deal. Yea, original.

Doesn't have to be original, just true. Whether I use my powers For Good Or For Awesome is my call, not yours.

Just cause things don't work your way doesn't give you any damn right to go telling it off.

Actually, it does. Mr. Wah isn't going to throw me in the Gulag for saying shit how it is. So you can either get behind what I'm saying, or get over the fact I'm saying it.

All you're doing is coming to a forum that's here to support DOA and Team NINJA and just utterly insulting them.

I'm not insulting Team Ninja, I am insulting their work and concerned about their leadership as reflected by the product they put out. If you were truly here to support team ninja, you would be doing whatever is necessary to set their head on straight. Instead you are content to be a "yes man" in this situation.

I don't give a fuck if that's how you think, you don't come here and do that.

If I may ask, why are you trying to speak down to me with some kind of sense of false authority? Who are you? What have you done? Why should you matter to me on any scale?

You're not a force in any competitive scene I'm aware of, nor fountain of knowledge, or a man with important corporate contacts. Yet somehow, you think you're in a position to reprimand me? Ten years too early.

You can disagree on whatever shit you want but insulting the game and company is doing absolutely no good to them or the community.

A healthy dose of reality goes far. I don't imagine one person crying out does any good, but negativity snowballs until the effects are felt all the way up the ladder.

Try being open minded for once Rikuto.

Funny assertion.

Open minded to what, exactly? I know the game and the company better than you do. If anything, you're blindly defending them.

 

[Awesmic]

I always wanted to know...

How would I be considered a "yes-man" if I choose to cite criticism in a tactful manner?

 

[grap3fruitman]

Who's calling you a "yes man?"

 

[Awesmic]

Who's calling you a "yes man?"

It was a question in general.

 

[R4712-VR88]

I know the game and the company better than you do. If anything, you're blindly defending them.

Go to hell Rikuto. I'm not going to argue with an egocentric yank like yourself. If Sorwah doesn't mind your crap then whatever. I just think it's both sickening and sad to have a puny little twat like yourself not helping the developers or community with your shit talk.

 

[Rikuto]

I do more to help the community and the developers by keeping things real.

All dick sucking would do is get them in trouble with their spouses, sir. I suggest reconsidering such a strategy if you truly want to support them.

 

[R4712-VR88]

Wow that's your best response. LOL

Ok, wow, like I'm done here.

 

[grap3fruitman]

I just think it's both sickening and sad to have a puny little twat like yourself not helping the developers or community with your shit talk.

Telling Team Ninja that DOA5, in its current state, isn't tournament worthy is considered "shit talking?" Then the majority of this forum is "shit talking" the game. Rikuto just happens to be the most vocal. There's no question that DOA5's a step above DOA4 but it still falls short. That's why we need to be vocal now, while the game's still in development, so that TN can address further concerns. Blindly praising it like you're suggesting won't fix anything and it won't get us a better game.

 

[Rikuto]

Wow that's your best response. LOL

I try not to kick people when they are down.

 

[R4712-VR88]

Wow grap3. Ok, one more time, nice and slowly.

Telling Team Ninja that DOA5, in its current state, isn't tournament worthy is considered "shit talking?"

No.

Example;

Needless to say, this game has deteriorated itself to a rental for me at best. I'll be sticking to soul calibur

Instead of giving off some kind of hope, he just ends with the game being a rental for him. He just played the alpha demo of a game that's still in development. He's basing his choice off of that.

I'm not going to be responsible for this train wreck, especially when more than half the community is fighting progress with ignorance and seems to want a bad game.

I've got other venues to keep me challenged. Let DOA remain an island for the egotistical and deluded. If it grows up, great. But this "game" is not my problem anymore.

Here he calls everyone here idoits and acts like he doesn't want to help the game or community.

Rikuto just happens to be the most vocal.

Vocal with a capital v.

whenever Producer Hayashi touches something you can expect great resources to be pooled into unnecessary story telling, QTE, ease of difficulty and "streamlining" (aka removing features because some faggot who gets payed too much at some meeting thought it would sell better to stupid people.

Here he not only insults Hayashi, but he continues to hate on the things he dislikes NG3 and acts like that's the reason NG3 is bad.

He's taking a lot of flak, and he can't hold out forever. He gets too much, he'll get fired. What worries me is that I've seen this happen before when somebody rises to power and gets creative control. The question is going to be what happens first?

Hayashi gets fired? Or he wisens up?

Since he has already proven a willingness to throw others under the bus for his own mistakes and flatly deny anything is his fault, im leaning towards fired. If he must get fired, how much damage will we have to endure before that happens? He's willing to blame others, so if he's skilled at bus chucking it might be a while til the right people realize he needs to go. Will the company discontinue entire IP's as a result of this?

There is a lot to be worried about.

Again he continues to bad-mouth Hayashi, and even having a vindictive mind set on wanting to get him removed from Team NINJA.

Which is exactly what he wants you to believe.

And again blindly accusing Hayashi. And yes it was told that he had nothing to do with the story of Other M.

Unless DOA 5 gets a massive overhaul between the demo and release, you don't want me exposing your game.

This isn't any sort of positive way to handle the game you're trying to support. He just wants to see it fail.

There's no question that DOA5's a step above DOA4 but it still falls short. That's why we need to be vocal now, while the game's still in development, so that TN can address further concerns and not blindly praise it like you're suggesting.

I'm not blindly praising Team NINJA, DOA5 or NG3. Nothing is perfect. But neither the developers or the games deserve this kind of crap that Rikuto is throwing about. If he doesn't like Hayashi or the way DOA5 is then he can get the hell out of here for all I care. We don't need this kind of crap on our forums.

I try not to kick people when they are down.

Oh believe me Rikuto, you couldn't kick me down, or at all.

 

[Rikuto]

So much for being done, huh?

Here he calls everyone here idoits and acts like he doesn't want to help the game or community.

I'm not willingly helping anyone that refuses to help themselves and tries to fight with me along the way. I'm just passively telling some truths. It's time for you as a community to grow up and deal with your own shit. If my words happen to start something, great. If all they do is piss off somebody who happens to be completely ignorant, great.

I really do get satisfaction from either outcome.

Here he not only insults Hayashi, but he continues to hate on the things he dislikes NG3 and acts like that's the reason NG3 is bad.

And the problem is....?

Again he continues to bad-mouth Hayashi, and even having a vindictive mind set on wanting to get him removed from Team NINJA.

Did you notice that my primary concern with that particular passage was the well being of the company and the games themselves and how they are in danger because of one person?

This is the horrifying flaw with your logic. You're too scared to say admit anything bad about Hayashi, even at the expense of everything and everyone else.

And again blindly accusing Hayashi. And yes it was told that he had nothing to do with the story of Other M.

There was nothing blind about it. Every single project Hayashi has ever had creative control over has had very similar elements which I already talked about. When patterns emerge under the care of one person, it's pretty obvious who is responsible. To ignore those patterns is what makes you blind.

This isn't any sort of positive way to handle the game you're trying to support. He just wants to see it fail.

I'd rather see a good DOA that I wasn't embarrassed to show to other FGC members, and one that would actually be fun to play competitively.

You on the other hand, would rather depict an evil Rikuto with a curleh mustache and trident from across the internet because you're too stupid to understand how much human passion and dedication goes into mastering a fighting game. To flatly say "He just wants to see it fail" is probably the single dumbest thing you could ever say in regards to myself and DOA.

I'm not blindly praising Team NINJA, DOA5 or NG3. Nothing is perfect. But neither the developers or the games deserve this kind of crap that Rikuto is throwing about. If he doesn't like Hayashi or the way DOA5 is then he can get the hell out of here for all I care. We don't need this kind of crap on our forums.

Sorry bub, this isn't your personal playground and I don't self censor. If and when I decide to go anywhere, it will be on my own terms, or Mr. Wah's. No one elses.

Oh believe me Rikuto, you couldn't kick me down, or at all.

It's nice to hear you're getting regular shark testosterone injections so you can act like you wanna fight me IRL. Truly, I'll think twice before saying something on the internet again.

 

[R4712-VR88]

So much for being done, huh?

Only for grap3's sake.

You're too scared to say admit anything bad about Hayashi, even at the expense of everything and everyone else.

I have nothing bad to say about Hayashi. He hasn't done anything to make me say anything about him.

To ignore those patterns is what makes you blind.

Uh-huh sure.

I'd rather see a good DOA that I wasn't embarrassed to show to other FGC members, and one that would actually be fun to play competitively.

lol! You're embarrassed. That's sad man.

you're too stupid to understand how much human passion and dedication goes into mastering a fighting game.

I know what all it takes to master a fighting game.

To flatly say "He just wants to see it fail" is probably the single dumbest thing you could ever say in regards to myself and DOA.

Yet it's the truth since that's exactly how you act on the forums. lol

It's nice to hear you're getting regular shark testosterone injections so you can act like you wanna fight me IRL.

I'll fight your boney ass in real life. I have no fear of a loser like yourself. LOL!



Rikuto you don't know me so stop acting like you do. You seriously just need to drop the act.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Wow grap3. Ok, one more time, nice and slowly.

Again, nothing he said is a fabrication. It's the truth and some people, like you, appear to not like to hear the truth.

Instead of giving off some kind of hope, he just ends with the game being a rental for him. He just played the alpha demo of a game that's still in development. He's basing his choice off of that.

It's doesn't matter that it's an Alpha build of the game, the flaws he's upset about are the same flaws that were present in all the other DOA games. They're the same reasons the FGC never took all the other DOA games seriously. What makes you think that TN would fix them in DOA5 unless they get pushed hard enough by people like Rikuto?

Here he calls everyone here idoits and acts like he doesn't want to help the game or community.

No, he's saying that while he has the best interests for the community, he's fighting an uphill battle against people who don't know better and refuse to listen to reason

I'm not blindly praising Team NINJA, DOA5 or NG3. Nothing is perfect. But neither the developers or the games deserve this kind of crap that Rikuto is throwing about. If he doesn't like Hayashi or the way DOA5 is then he can get the hell out of here for all I care. We don't need this kind of crap on our forums.

Everything that Rikuto has said isn't in disagreement with the majority of the rest of the forum. The rest of the forum has just been much more polite for it. Heck, I've been one of the most vocal and negative people on here. Even Rikuto's told me to knock things down a notch.

I have nothing bad to say about Hayashi. He hasn't done anything to make me say anything about him.

Rikuto's absolutely right about everything Hayashi's touched having similar elements introduced and being poorly received as as result.

lol! You're embarrassed. That's sad man.

Have you tried showing off the game to the rest of the fighting game community? There's a reason they don't take it seriously.

Yet it's the truth since that's exactly how you act on the forums. lol

It's not the truth. Rikuto's not saying he wants it to fail, he's saying it will fail unless TN makes some serious changes to the game's forumla. That's par the course for all the other DOA games. They've carried over the same flaws and haven't been accepted as competitive games. Isn't that right? So how is he wrong?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Sigh...

 

[R4712-VR88]

The rest of the forum has just been much more polite for it. Heck, I've been one of the most vocal and negative people on here. Even Rikuto's told me to knock things down a notch.

And that's exactly what I'm saying. Rikuto doesn't have to be so insulting or offensive to get a point across. There shouldn't be any kind of talk or acting about not supporting the game just to try and get Team NINJA to fix problems.

Have you tried showing off the game to the rest of the fighting game community? There's a reason they don't take it seriously.

Of course. I've showed it to my friends and other FG players, but I did not once tell them that it was a perfect game or anything of the sort. I told them the games flaws and why its bad, least with DOA4. And of course I'd talk about DOA3.1 and why it's great. But I'm not embarrassed about playing DOA or enjoying it whether it's casually or competitively.

Rikuto's not saying he wants it to fail, he's saying it will fail unless TN makes some serious changes to the game's forumla.

Well then he needs to work on his wording then. lol

 

[x Sypher x]

Doesn't have to be original, just true. Whether I use my powers For Good Or For Awesome is my call, not yours.

Haha I like that, it would make a nice catch phrase.

You're not a force in any competitive scene I'm aware of, nor fountain of knowledge, or a man with important corporate contacts. Yet somehow, you think you're in a position to reprimand me? Ten years too early.

No offense Rikuto, but I don't recall ever seeing your name anywhere outside of the DOA community. Just pointing that out.

Instead of giving off some kind of hope, he just ends with the game being a rental for him. He just played the alpha demo of a game that's still in development. He's basing his choice off of that.

I see it as more of a precaution.

Here he calls everyone here idiots and acts like he doesn't want to help the game or community.

Uh no, not everyone, and YES he does want to help the game and community. By keeping it real son. Reality doesn't play nice, it will slap you in the face if you're not careful and Rikuto has been doing that all along. Unfortunately some people still don't get it. If he didn't care he wouldn't be here.

This isn't any sort of positive way to handle the game you're trying to support. He just wants to see it fail.

You got a better idea?

I'm not blindly praising Team NINJA, DOA5 or NG3. Nothing is perfect. But neither the developers or the games deserve this kind of crap that Rikuto is throwing about. If he doesn't like Hayashi or the way DOA5 is then he can get the hell out of here for all I care. We don't need this kind of crap on our forums.

We're not here to kiss TN's ass just because they've made a FEW improvements since DOA4, we're here to help create the best, most competitive, and memorable DOA yet and to revive the community and help it grow. But playing nice just won't cut it. Sometimes you gotta get a little rough to get shit done and done the right way, and that's what we have to do now with our game, otherwise we have failed not only our game but ourselves as well. The future of DOA is in our hands now (hopefully), it's time to seize it.

Rikuto you don't know me so stop acting like you do. You seriously just need to drop the act.

It's not an act, that is 100% Rikuto. You can hate it or love it, but don't try to fight it. You will lose lol.

 

[Rikuto]

No offense Rikuto, but I don't recall ever seeing your name anywhere outside of the DOA community. Just pointing that out.

That's because I started with DOA and there hasn't been a game I wanted to play at tournament level since then. Well, there was SC4 but that game died very quickly and I was working 40-70 hour weeks when that game was in its prime. By the time I had a grasp on the dos and do nots of tournament play for SC4, most tournaments were down to 10-20 man showings. That game did more to teach me how to play then it did to make a name for myself.

As for SCV, I took Thuggish Pond out of winners bracket at MLG Winter Championship just the other week. Guy even told me he's never seen any Astaroth that could play keepout to that level and he's a former world champion.

Anyone who has fought me knows I'm not someone you take lightly. Everyone else I'm hoping stays ignorant -- makes the next victory easier.

And that's exactly what I'm saying. Rikuto doesn't have to be so insulting or offensive to get a point across. There shouldn't be any kind of talk or acting about not supporting the game just to try and get Team NINJA to fix problems.

And obviously the approach of play nice and hope for the best did not work with ninja gaiden now did it? Hayashi continually claimed he was open to feedback for NG3 and would change things based on this. He did basically nothing with that feedback, and his game was fucking trashed as a result of that. He undervalued his existing fanbase and brushed them aside. More fool he.

Unless he changes his course for the future, he'll be getting another kind feedback -- unemployment. That's not me being mean and insulting, it's a fact. I'd rather it did not come to that as I've met him and he seemed like a pretty nice guy, but if he is going to ignore his fanbase and continually make horrible design decisions just to make it "his own", maybe he deserves to get fired.

I'll fight your boney ass in real life. I have no fear of a loser like yourself. LOL!



Rikuto you don't know me so stop acting like you do.

You need to stop saying dumb shit like that bro. You sound like some sistah on maurey waving her hand around trying to get all up in my business.

Of course. I've showed it to my friends and other FG players, but I did not once tell them that it was a perfect game or anything of the sort. I told them the games flaws and why its bad, least with DOA4. And of course I'd talk about DOA3.1 and why it's great. But I'm not embarrassed about playing DOA or enjoying it whether it's casually or competitively.

You should be. Especially if its competitively. It's a pretty bad game, dawg.

Well then he needs to work on his wording then. lol

No, I've said exactly what I meant to say, exactly how I meant to say it.

Everyone has their own interpretation of it. Your interpretation is the only one which garnered a massive amount of e-rage, so you need to work on your ability to distinguish insults from criticism.

Apart from that, you also need to work on not taking personal offense to a valid criticism that was handed to a completely different person who you have zero affiliation with. There is no excuse for that, some blatant fanboy shit going on there. If you like team ninja that much you need to be a hell of a lot more honest with them.