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Don't be one of those guys...

You're thinking of pot-monsters Brute. The "competitive" players don't mind the extra pot haha. (Though without pot monsters, tourney turnouts would be even... well, smaller).

There are money players in VF but never would I say their mindset was causal. As they lab and come win money. When there isn't money on the line, they don't bother showing up for causals offline.

^ I hate those types of players, the pot whores. The other end of the spectrum.

@FoN: In DOA's case, I don't think turnouts would be that much smaller, TBH. Almost everyone I've met offline, whether they typically place high or not, are just happy to be there playing with other people who enjoy the game like they do.

@Brute I get salty but I never speak someone out their name. I'm more whiny online than offline though. If I go offline, I enjoy the atmosphere more than anything. I stopped getting salty but it's hard when you see a spike and it cost you.

Yes. This is why I take issue with the attitudes of some "online warriors" whom think they're hot shit but never contribute to the offline scene (or contribute any useful content to the community in general). However, I can understand the frustration if someone is unable to play or compete offline.

I find that people get "salty" at offline events fairly regularly, but it's usually done in a sort-of amiable fashion that's just part of the culture. Like, you might say "Ah, GDI. Not another Lei shoulder!" but then follow-up it up with a "GG" and handshake. People generally aren't as emotionally fragile offline as they are online, oddly enough.

I also think any separation beyond “people who play for money vs people who don’t” runs the risk of arbitrarily dividing the community and shaming people for not enjoying the game the way that you do.

Playing the game for fun can mean lots of things, including obsessing over frame data, etc. The person memorizing launch strings is not more “hardcore” than someone who really likes the costumes and designs their own

@Hold_Junkie93 It's perfectly normal to rage at online play for pretty much any fighting game and not just DOA. Online fighting games is an infuriatingly frustrating experience, especially if you're used to offline play and know what should or shouldn't work. I was cussing during the DOA6 beta alot for instance haha. Though yeah it was a beta and expectedly broken...

It's different, of course, when it comes to the genuine narcissists. But watching them get all bent out of shape is a delight anyway.

I could talk about this all day if we went on discord.

I don't think I've ever used discord.

@Brute what about Olympic athletes that cry when they lose? You rather someone cry? Despite that athletes work harder.

@Baji Breakdancer It's more a case of whom understands DOA more? Casual-minded gamers or competitive-minded gamers? Who breaks down all aspects and elements to a game to figure out how it ticks, and whom's more likely to mess around with different costumes, and play through story, etc. yada yada.

The "hardcore" notion is subjective anyway.

@FoN: Kinda, but keep in mind there are competitive players who legit don't understand frame data. Just because someone is a competitive player doesn't inherently mean they understand the system mechanics better than a casual.

I think the want to better oneself in general, be it information or playing distinguishes core, and causal. Just because I chose to only care about specific fgs and play others for Shits & giggles, doesn't make me a causal just because you claim to be competitive or ARE successful in more fgs. Despite my friend disliking SF and thinks high level with the more niche titles,

To me, if I play a FG that is completely new to me but I have a knowledge of how fgs work. If something or some characters don't have a definitive counter to a situation or the risk/reward is in thier favor. I'll ask questions on how to approach it. If the answer is, "Git gud" I question the games' balance and the mindset of its community.

@Brute True. I know guys like CrazySteady play more on "feel" and experience than frame data, though I'm speaking more in terms of averages, as in who's more likely to break down and understand the game more. However, if you are a "casual" player, there's no shame in that. I'm a casual player in dozens upon dozens of games. No shame in it. But there still is a distinction between "casual" & "competitive" players.

@Hold_Junkie93 In your case, just ignore the people who refer to use as a "casual". I.e. Who cares? Just play, study and enjoy what you like. Majority of SF & Tekken players are actually casuals.