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The only videos I've seen are on the Twitch stream. But BKO P+K > 4K > 4K > 66K doesn't work, neither does BKO F+P > 4PP8K > 2K. If these two attacks don't cause force tech when set up like this I can't think how we can set it up.

She hasn't gotten fantastic buff's to compensate. She got 2 new unsafe ways to get into BT, one new sit down stun which guarantees? and some new bind state attacks, which every character has gotten. She still has slow pokes, is very unsafe, has extremely limited access to frame advantage...

We found tech to drag her out of shit tier before, we can do it again!

It's very possible, so far I have only seen moves that stun on NH cause FT, and not all of them do. Zack's machine gun kicks don't stun on NH but the last hit does so I'm not sure how it might work. This is just speculation on my part though.

Handslaps > 6P no longer works, Launch into BT > 4K > 4K > 66K no longer works and BKO F+P > 4PP8K > 2K no longer works either. All these combo's cause FT currently but in the steam I saw them all attempted, even though the opponent didn't tech it whiffed right through them anyway. Whether or...

Wish I had a NOOOOOO! meme for this occasion...

Helena is overall worse in 5U than she is now. Her easy access to FT is gone, EVERY old FT combo that works now even using her BKO sweep and her back dashing sweep no longer work. Perhaps there is new tech for her to use but seeing how hard TN has worked to remove her current ones I'm not...

It's +13 on highest SE. Meaning it guarantees absolutely nothing! Currently it is totally worthless so switching to a CB would be a buff.

I think what you saw was Helena's BT 7P. Currently it causes the games worst SDS, but if only CB moves have the wind effect then it's possible TN switched it to a CB.

If she has one from BT it isn't listed in her command list. My guess is you are mistaken on that, shame though.

Any confirmation of CB's requiring less hits the land?

It does look nice but check this out: http://www.twitch.tv/freestepdodge/b/447241165 40:38 and 47:26 I've heard that BKO 2K and BT 66K still force tech but they completely whiff there. I have no idea what to make of it honestly.

I need to do more research but it is possible that Helena's FT game has been completely removed. 6P no longer works, and I have seen BKO 2K and BT 66K whiff through the opponent.

From what I've seen so far it seems logical. Quick question, you said BKO 2K force tech's but I watched the stream where it was Helena vs Kokoro, perhaps that was you playing, and Helena did BKO F+P > 4PP8K > 2K2 and it whiffed. Same deal with 4K > 4K > 66K2, it whiffed right through Ein. Any...

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I'm curious to see if BT 7P causes a bind state now, I'd wager TN will have switched it's hit status seeing as it was useless as a SDS before being only +13.

Helena: P(P) causes a bind state. New move 6P+K > P causes a bind state. BT PPPP causes a bind state. New sit down stun that leaves her in BKO is +44, even with fastest SE this should guarantee CB. :( F+K and BT PPK can be cancelled into BKO. 8PP, 6P and 3PP can be cancelled into BT. New move...

1:11 6PP still causes a sit down stun. but... 1:21 BT PPPP causes a bind state. 7:52 P(P) Causes a bind state! Does that mean 9P causes a bind state too seeing as it's the same attack? Seeing as the same attack causes two different status' with 6PP and BT PPPP it may not but here's hoping.

You are a god amongst men, thank you sir. The sit down stun being +44 means the opponent would need to shake 23 frames to avoid CB which isn't even remotely possible so I think we have a guaranteed CB! I forgot to mention though did her other sit down stuns get a buff?

i11 jab > GRRRRRRR