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:9::k: on max stun threshold isn't exactly a bound, it's more like a knockdown that offers follow-up damage much like :6::p::4::p::p: but I can see how it's viewed as one. A bound would be something like Lei-Fang's :3::p::4::p: that allows juggling within a juggle, if that makes sense. Lisa has...

Done, I'm also going to change :6::6::K: as soon as I can test it, in game it says it's +18 on block but I think you can still be interrupted when using moves lower than 18 frames afterwards, just need to finalize it before I do so. It's either a buff that hasn't gone underway or an in-game...

Yes it was, I'm on xbox so updates are 10 years too late. I don't take minor frame differences like that too seriously, especially with a move such as :1::P::K::K::K:. I did think it was a spacing issue initially but I tested it enough times for me to believe it was solid. I'll remove it.

Not sure how you mean, are you saying it always whiffs after using :4::4::h::+::p:? or is this after you launch? General rule is Lisa's juggle damage is highly nerfed, :6::p::8::k: gives lower launch height so she can't juggle after with :7::k::6: :h::+::p: anymore and her air grab has higher...

Just updating on :4::4::h::+::P:, I mentioned previously that you can land a free :6::P::8::K: afterwards. There are some characters that can back dash and avoid the launch, however, if they slow escape after :6::P:, or attempt to hold the launch (even low hold) they will always eat the launch...

Stick with the power blow, the same thing happens if you use :3::h::+::p: :+: :h::+::p: and wall juggle after that, guess it's to prevent the stage from being banned in competitive play. :6::4::h::+::p: is also ideal for big punishment if set up right, Lisa can get some really nasty guaranteed...

I agree synce I've just edited my last post, it doesn't actually give a free :6::p::p::p: you can SE and hold the last :p: my bad.

:1::k:, :6::6::p: and :6::k: work best for that because of their low follow-ups, :1::k: is too risky though. I find :3::f::+::p: works much better as a punisher for really unsafe moves that leave your opponent in crouching state.

Given her changes I think these moves work better in her favour now since her damage comes from shenanigans. :1::P: - A great counter hit hunter (competes with :7::k::6: as her best), tracks, crushes highs. Bad at close range but a decent move. BT :P::+::K: - Grants a free :6::P: on block...

Not having a decent low from front facing is such a shit thing for Lisa, she has a harder time counter hit hunting because of the nerfed :1::P: unless it's crushing, her other ranged moves are slow or unsafe (:9::K:, :236: :P:) and her mix-up game from front facing leaves much to be desired...

Basically her changes make her BT game very solid and is integral to her game (:2::K::K::4: is a very good string now), Carrera mixups are also more viable since moves that transition into them have more safety and give more advantage on hit (:7::K:, :6::6::K:). If you were in sync with Lisa's...

Here - http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/lisa-changes-doa5u.3431/

UPDATED: 11/12/2013 This is a full list of Lisa's changes from DOA5 - DOA5U as a result of going throught her moveset in vanilla and comparing the frame data listed in-game with DOA5U. I have not included CH/HCH information, as it will only involve small damage and advantage increases, if you...

After looking (not attemtping) his combo challenges, how on earth is it possible to perform so many :h*+k:'s in a row?

Wow I've spent about half an hour on Hayate's combo challenge, stuck at his power launcher combo. This shit is absolutely ridiculous, does anybody feel that It's much harder to buffer certain combos in the game now? Everything used to be so fluid but it's a little more rigid now.

Ok, let's look at her lows and high/mid to low strings. LOWS :1::K: - 21 frame startup, tracks, 2in1, crushes highs, -7/-8 on NH (depending on open or closed stance), throw punishable regardless of range used. This move now forces you to use one of it's follow-up's to avoid punishment, if...

:9::k: on NH works particularly well with it, CAR :p::4: and :6::4::f::+::p: into booty bump too. Most of her BT transitions on counter hit will work too. :k::2::k::k: is +24 and causes crumple stun, has worthless follow-up, you can't combo into it or land a force tech so it's pretty ass. What...

What I noticed hasn't changed is online, still dead as a dodo....

:lisa:Summary of Lisa's changes;:lisa: THE NEW :214: :f::+::K: - Power launcher, chargeable, 25-32 frames, 40 dmg. Has very strong juggles. BT :6::f::+::P: - New OH, 32 frames, INSANE range, tracks, evades highs and lows at different intervals, 65 damage. Has different animation when used on...

8K just looks as if it has a new launch animation, it may have an effect on her juggling potential however. 1K could have some better CH properties as a stand alone move but look at 1KK, it's much faster now, maybe that could be a follow-up combo. 66PP limbo stun is still there.