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I hope they kept the effective blocked disadvantage the same and just increased the recovery frames for the sake of whiff-punishing. If they didn't.... then -4 to -8 is what's going to happen. I also forgot about the universal sidestep buff. I assume it still just sidesteps a single attack...

66P is now -8 on block. Ughh.... The other thing that kind of worries me is the change to Heichu P. Right now, it's around +24 minimum (assuming opponent SEs). CB set-ups that use that (66P+K -> Heichu P, for example) may be forced into 1.5 guesses versus just one. Worst case scenario, I'm...

I think, in addition to what JDE said, why people thought Kokoro was stupid good was because everyone was thinking DOA5 was all about unholdable stuns, and she has a lot of those (well, four, but all of them are strong enough to be incorporated regularly in her game). I also think her...

Even as a Kokoro player, I'd be fine with the beta sidestep mechanics.

Or Kokoro can low throw the tackle for free Burst set-up. I do agree that Mila has the advantage over Kokoro, but Kokoro can punish that tackle hard.

Catch Throw mechanics in 3.0 worked differently than Offensive Holds; they still got HCB'd if you hit them before they grabbed. Dragon Gunner itself doesn't bother me. It's who TN allowed to keep OHs and who they didn't, when considering the properties of OHs, that bugs me. It's why you have...

Unless he's talking about it being 11 frames but factoring in DOA5's +2 frames for strikes.

Interesting. I was thinking Koroko does worse against Fang than Lee, mainly because of Fang's crush + parry game.

I actually agree; I don't want the OHs changed. It's just stupid that they have them.

Alright. We can keep them, but... Lei-Fang's OHs are sped up two frames, but base damage drops to 15. Jann-Lee gets a 10 point increase to Dragon Gunner's base damage, but automatically follows up with a taunt afterwards.

Sad face :(

Lei-Fang and Jann-Lee have OHs because TN done goofed.

Better characters than Kokoro in this game? An official ranking of all the characters is still in progress, but so far, I'd say that the only two characters who are without a doubt better than Kokoro are Jann Lee and Lei-Fang. Basically, she's really good, but not stupid good.

Hopefully she'd be like her VF4 model -- nicely built.

I agree. But other than Aoi, I'd like to see Jeffry because I want another non-pro-wrestling grappler.

Because she's an offensive powerhouse with strike mix-ups, safety, grabs mid-string, damage, unholdable stuns, and burst set-ups. A good Kokoro will just pressure the opponent until they crumble. But mostly what Lagstab said.

I'm not as aggressive as I should be with Kokopuff, and I crumple under a good pressure game. However, I'm surprised I don't get hatemail for my throw spamming.

I have yet to get any hatemail in DOA5. Not that I'm that good, but I'm of similar skill level in other fighters and I've received a fair amount of hate in those games (hell, even in Virtual-On).

:7::P: can be blocked after a successful :1::H+P:, so it's at least 19 frames. I'm actually guessing at the sabaki window; most CBs are 19 frames, and the game's frame data says it comes out in 12, so I assume the sabaki lasts until frame 7. The data pauses for a moment at 2 when you do the...

The problem with wake-up kicks in DOA5: The attacker loses momentum for knocking someone down. That seems fundamentally flawed to me.