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D.I.D. 8: Aftermath

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Omegan Eckhart

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XDest said:
I'd say more characters should get viable force techs instead (or people should find them in the lab, since they probably already exist). Although I haven't seen uncounterables in this game yet, maybe they "fixed" that? I would actually like to see it back in if so. Lets make getting hit be that painful.
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That won't be very difficult, all that needs to be done is to find an attack for each charcater that causes a hard knock down and can be used on an airborne opponent and BAM! There goes wake up kicks.
 
HiguraShiki

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Brute said:
Helena is the female Hayate. Not overwhelmingly common as a main, but one of THE most common sub-mains. Shadow and Blasian for eample.

But even so they are plenty of mains. There's this one A-rank guy I keep seeing everywhere. Name starts with an "A" and there's in "r" in there somewhere, too. Anyway, I don't remember names too well, but just duck into a lobby for a while with A-S rank players and you'll start seeing them.
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Helena isn't really a common sub either. I see more Jann's, Kasumi's, and Ayane's than anything.
 
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dawnbringer said:
I did not mean that Mamba subs Helena. I meant that Helena may be good for a sub, based on her performance.
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Point being, these were two people who used her primarily (I think) and came in using all of the nuances. That doesn't mean she's good to kinda get a base read on and then have in your pocket. You really need her options down to play her decently. There are characters you can get more out of faster.

But this doesn't have anything to do with Helena's status in the NWO.
 
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CrimsonCJ said:
Point being, these were two people who used her primarily (I think) and came in using all of the nuances. That doesn't mean she's good to kinda get a base read on and then have in your pocket. You really need her options down to play her decently. There are characters you can get more out of faster.
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Strong knowledge about her options is pretty much recommended to have better chances against her.
 
Matt Ponton

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XDest said:
I'd say more characters should get viable force techs instead (or people should find them in the lab, since they probably already exist). Although I haven't seen uncounterables in this game yet, maybe they "fixed" that? I would actually like to see it back in if so. Lets make getting hit be that painful.
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Manny told me they 'fixed' it by making the first frame of recovery from tech be invincible regardless of what you're doing. I could have misunderstood but basically the unholdables are removed from the game.
 
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Mr. Wah said:
Manny told me they 'fixed' it by making the first frame of recovery from tech be invincible regardless of what you're doing. I could have misunderstood but basically the unholdables are removed from the game.
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If it was a mistake in DOA4, it was a good mistake. I think it should definitely be an option, since they were already going down that route with several things that gave advantage already.
 
Raansu

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Omegan Eckhart said:
That won't be very difficult, all that needs to be done is to find an attack for each charcater that causes a hard knock down and can be used on an airborne opponent and BAM! There goes wake up kicks.
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Doesn't work that way...If it did Hitomi would be a force teching beast with her 5 different juggles that cause a slam/hard knockdown.
 
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the force tech isnt the problem. its that every option after the force tech resets the situation. normal hit lows, both mids and highs, her standing throw, whatever. the mixup and the payoff from that mixup is not reasonable. especially since throw breaking isnt even possible.
 
Raansu

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DR2K said:
She's +6 on hit, +24 would be bonkers.
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Almost forgot about this one. Yes she is +24 if she force techs you. If you do the setup and anticipate them tech rolling and don't do 6p she is +4. If you do 6p she is +0 which is still an advantage since the person tech rolling is still in recovery frames.

Don't believe me?


Gee willikers look at that. Her 11 frame jab beat out a 9 frame jabber.

No offense man, but learn your damn character. I don't even play Helena and I know more about her than you do.
 
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