DEPTH: Helena vs Lisa
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Yeah, it looks like we're really going to need it.
DR2K
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Those are some of the worst balance patches ever. It's like Project Soul went full retard.
MasterHavik
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Well I can't wait to play Lisa even though Lisa looks free.
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They nerfed the shit outta Maxi. Thats why I had to hang up my gloves up...
MasterHavik
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Broskis this about Lisa Knowles and Helena Douglas. Let's keep the discussion about them please.
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I thought I was the only one that recognize that... lol
MasterHavik
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You wasn't sir. I bet saying she's Beyocne when they showed off her fur coat and everything. That's my new nickname for her.
Chris Harris
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There are always low tier characters in a game. . .my character is in the exact same place she was when DoA4 came out lmao. Probably even worse now since she still has to play a heavy mix up game but now that there is sidestep she is probably screwed with her mix up game.
Rikuto repped low tier like a boss. No one else did that in DoA4 so he alone is proof that you can overcome weaknesses. He had a lot of trouble with better players but he could at least compete so I'm sure for him it was worth it. It will be really tough but Helena can still win, just will be tougher than higher tiers like any other game.
Your choices are use a better character or overcome with Helena, and I'm sure someone will figure out how to utilize what she has. It won't be as good as a higher tiered character but at least you can try
Rikuto repped low tier like a boss. No one else did that in DoA4 so he alone is proof that you can overcome weaknesses. He had a lot of trouble with better players but he could at least compete so I'm sure for him it was worth it. It will be really tough but Helena can still win, just will be tougher than higher tiers like any other game.
Your choices are use a better character or overcome with Helena, and I'm sure someone will figure out how to utilize what she has. It won't be as good as a higher tiered character but at least you can try
KwonJigglypuff
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Well in that case, they'd better put that costume too. It would be awesome for La Mariposa to fight in that outfit !
Anyway, regarding Helena's nerf, TN said "People have similar comments as you... but the final build is not out yet...".
Anyway, regarding Helena's nerf, TN said "People have similar comments as you... but the final build is not out yet...".
TRI Mike
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Kwon, where did you get those statements from TN¿ I can't seem to find them.
So my Hele doesn't have the broken DOA4 ground game logically, they removed her PP2KP, her most important string in the previous game and it seems like TN forgot to add unholdable stuns and CB to her roster. She seems even more unsafe when transitioning from normal to bokuho... I'm really pissed off right now.
I know this is extremely selfish on my part but I want a patch to buff her. She doesn't deserve to be crap again like in 2 and 3.
So my Hele doesn't have the broken DOA4 ground game logically, they removed her PP2KP, her most important string in the previous game and it seems like TN forgot to add unholdable stuns and CB to her roster. She seems even more unsafe when transitioning from normal to bokuho... I'm really pissed off right now.
I know this is extremely selfish on my part but I want a patch to buff her. She doesn't deserve to be crap again like in 2 and 3.
MasterHavik
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Kwon- Translation: We fuck up and we know it. We're very sorry.
KwonJigglypuff
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Lol. I don't know, I want to trust them when they say "she is really strong".
And I think her 6pk will become her new CB.
What if they allow her to use her CB in less than 4 hits, would that help her ?
And I think her 6pk will become her new CB.
What if they allow her to use her CB in less than 4 hits, would that help her ?
ChrisArmoun
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I think I'll reserve judgement on this one. I've seen it it far too many times when devout negative opinions are formed about characters and balance based on very limited information. Ignoring the comments of the very few people that have used her, we as a community we have 2 videos of Helena in action, being played by so called "professional" players. I can decide to become a "professional" player tomorrow but that wouldn't mean I could bring out the best in a given character. The play style in this vid looked to utilize a lot of DoA4 habits and very simple strings on juggle. That doesn't mean Helena as a character lacks the tools to utilize DOA5s mechanics. I noticed no CB or sit down stuns. Doesn't mean she doesn't have them. Hell, has anyone even seen Lisa's PB? Still sure she has one. To me it means the players didn't know how to use them. Far too little for me to decide a character is broken or low tier. At the end of the day, I think what will matter is what each individual player can pull out of her.
Prime example: It's a bit unfair of a comparison because VF is built on it's technicality, but Jackie and Pai are considered easy pick up characters on first glance, while Akira looks absolutely horrible in the hands of the inexperienced. We don't bash him because we've seen, and felt, what he can do when used properly. I get the feeling TN may be shooting for a similar effect with Helena. Lets see how it plays out once she been used over a period of time
Maybe I'm alone in this but it seems that people are overreacting based on the opinions of a few and that's affecting their opinion. It's a snowball effect at this point.
Prime example: It's a bit unfair of a comparison because VF is built on it's technicality, but Jackie and Pai are considered easy pick up characters on first glance, while Akira looks absolutely horrible in the hands of the inexperienced. We don't bash him because we've seen, and felt, what he can do when used properly. I get the feeling TN may be shooting for a similar effect with Helena. Lets see how it plays out once she been used over a period of time
Maybe I'm alone in this but it seems that people are overreacting based on the opinions of a few and that's affecting their opinion. It's a snowball effect at this point.
I hope you're right, but who knows.
Well, I'm just going off of what DrDogg said. He (possibly) teased that Helena is "worse than La Mariposa", and has also said that La Mariposa is low tier. He's an experienced player who has had extensive time with the game, so it's a safe bet that he's right. Is it possible that someone might find a loophole with Helena later on down the road that jumps her up a few tiers? Sure. It happened with her in DOA4 after all. I just don't see it happening again, though. Hell, she's been awful in every game besides DOA4 and DOAD.
Zeo
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Reading through this topic... it seems like you guys are jumping to conclusions. I'm sure she's got some new moves and I'm seriously doubting we saw everything she can do in 2 videos that aren't even really "high" level. Just wait until we get more footage of her and I'm sure something will surprise you just like that Brad vs Eliot vid.
Omegan Eckhart
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Dude it's not the videos, it's the fact that DrDogg who used to main Helena has played her enough to be able to write a character section on her and has hinted that she is the character that is worse than Lisa who herself is looking like low tier. Trust me it's not the videos it's the people who have played her that think she sucks.