Argentus
Well-Known Member
As many of you know, I have a rather unpopular opinion regarding juggles.
For those of you unaware, they are as follows.
I'm used to people being angry at me for it, so I've learned to usually just say my piece and move on. A little while ago, however, it was brought to my attention that someone was actually creating meme pics to flame me with, and so I stepped in, and things escalated. It was really only two or three people giving me shit, but I'm stubborn and wouldn't back down. Kept going till it was literally just them screaming "Scrub/casual" and me going "ADDRESS THE TOPIC", back and forth. Essentially me getting frustrated that they were just flaming me while refusing to address any of my points. There's a lot more to it than that, but you get the gist. Ya ya, I know, I should have walked away, but I didn't.
But then someone else came in and made a single response that shut ALL the arguing down, and I love them for it. It is as follows.
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The reason why I bring this UP, is its because of people like the ones who were causing trouble, that keep me (and many others) from engaging more in the community. Its people like that, which are the primary reason I am hesitant to go to offline events. I don't want to deal with people harassing me face to face. Its why I've always been hesitant to ask for help, because I became so used to people disregarding what I'm asking, and just saying "stop doing that and do the maxjuggle instead".
What this community needs, is more people like the above, VOCALLY helping others, showing it, helping to repair the fgc's reputation that has been smeared by elitists and flamers. I'm not saying this community doesn't have helpful people, I'm saying they need to become more vocal and prominent. The community needs to become more welcoming and appealing to newcomers.
I continued talking with this person in private more, and they continued helping me with discussions, explanations, etc.
You may think that it doesn't matter, but it really does, because the FGC is, to many outsiders and newcomers, rather known for that "elitist" attitude, which scares a lot of people off, they walk right on by. The vocal minority of people who hate and harass, or are otherwise more confrontational than genuinely helpful, can do a lot of damage. And as I've been told by others involved with other FG communities, DOA has one of the worst. (I'm not really involved in other fgc so I can't comment on that).
I'm sure this won't go over well, but I figured it was at least worth a SHOT to try to address, and I felt it was worth others seeing that response.
((Apologies if I posted this in the wrong place))
For those of you unaware, they are as follows.
- I do not enjoy doing them or having them done to me, because I personally find it extremely boring to see someone slowly float through the air with little to no effort.
- I understand why others use it for the damage.
- I focus my efforts on gaining damage elsewhere.
- I disapprove of how, due to the perceived relative ease of execution, as well as low risk/high reward nature of juggles, it has caused a mentality in people who play, to only learn juggles, to the exclusion of everything else. As in, many people are completely unable to function outside of said juggles, and there is no incentive to learn or adapt due to the very nature of juggles.
- I understand why others use it for the damage.
- I focus my efforts on gaining damage elsewhere.
- I disapprove of how, due to the perceived relative ease of execution, as well as low risk/high reward nature of juggles, it has caused a mentality in people who play, to only learn juggles, to the exclusion of everything else. As in, many people are completely unable to function outside of said juggles, and there is no incentive to learn or adapt due to the very nature of juggles.
I'm used to people being angry at me for it, so I've learned to usually just say my piece and move on. A little while ago, however, it was brought to my attention that someone was actually creating meme pics to flame me with, and so I stepped in, and things escalated. It was really only two or three people giving me shit, but I'm stubborn and wouldn't back down. Kept going till it was literally just them screaming "Scrub/casual" and me going "ADDRESS THE TOPIC", back and forth. Essentially me getting frustrated that they were just flaming me while refusing to address any of my points. There's a lot more to it than that, but you get the gist. Ya ya, I know, I should have walked away, but I didn't.
But then someone else came in and made a single response that shut ALL the arguing down, and I love them for it. It is as follows.
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Ughhh...
Everywhere I go is drama I swear to god X_X Guys, please don't cast shade. Like, honestly, it's annoying seeing a fight every day in some FGC community. It's also rince and repeat fights to Person 1: *states an opinion* Person 2 "SCRUB!! CASUALL!!! FAFJSAIFJASF" Like, calm your tits. Let people play the game how they would like to. Each to their own, ahlie? You can't call someone a casual and shit just for playing differently. I mean, I understand that it's common practice in Fighting games to juggle for maximum damage, I do it myself, but not everyone has to, which is what you're not seeing. If Argentus wants to play differently, let him. Why tell him otherwise? Also, from what I've read, you've been shoving this down his throat too I believe? It sounds like if he asked a question about frames, you'd say "juggle more=master skill level". Bottom line is, just let him play how he wants to. If he asks for help, answer the question he is asking and move on. Cause I doubt he is asking for help on juggling. He's not rejecting your help, but it's not what he's looking for.
Now, Argentus, I can see that you have your reasons why you don't juggle as much as everyone says you should, but there's not point trying to prove it to anyone. Just play it how you want to. If you say one thing that goes against what these so called "Pros" say, you'll look like an asshat and be berated by most of the community (Not saying that you are, but this is what you're being treated as for no good reason) Just play the damn game and stop arguing with people and complaining. You've chosen the way you'd like to play and I'm glad for you. I don't think you're a scrub or a casual, but these people obviously think you are. Just play the game how you want to. Don't bother informing people of how you want to play because since it's the FGC, they'll berate you and you'll be labeled a casual until you can prove to them that you're not. *****, you may be good, but that doesn't mean you get to label people casuals. Master is good, yet he doesn't label people. Ahlie? Same with you *******. Except, you're being vile and bullying him. Don't be rude and vile cause it's gonna get you no where. Your rep doesn't go up so don't do it. Rep is really all that matters in the FGC anyway so what's the point in doing this? Just stop guys cause I'm tired of all this bullshit and drama that happens in this community every goddamn day >_> Like, bruh. Just stop.
Everywhere I go is drama I swear to god X_X Guys, please don't cast shade. Like, honestly, it's annoying seeing a fight every day in some FGC community. It's also rince and repeat fights to Person 1: *states an opinion* Person 2 "SCRUB!! CASUALL!!! FAFJSAIFJASF" Like, calm your tits. Let people play the game how they would like to. Each to their own, ahlie? You can't call someone a casual and shit just for playing differently. I mean, I understand that it's common practice in Fighting games to juggle for maximum damage, I do it myself, but not everyone has to, which is what you're not seeing. If Argentus wants to play differently, let him. Why tell him otherwise? Also, from what I've read, you've been shoving this down his throat too I believe? It sounds like if he asked a question about frames, you'd say "juggle more=master skill level". Bottom line is, just let him play how he wants to. If he asks for help, answer the question he is asking and move on. Cause I doubt he is asking for help on juggling. He's not rejecting your help, but it's not what he's looking for.
Now, Argentus, I can see that you have your reasons why you don't juggle as much as everyone says you should, but there's not point trying to prove it to anyone. Just play it how you want to. If you say one thing that goes against what these so called "Pros" say, you'll look like an asshat and be berated by most of the community (Not saying that you are, but this is what you're being treated as for no good reason) Just play the damn game and stop arguing with people and complaining. You've chosen the way you'd like to play and I'm glad for you. I don't think you're a scrub or a casual, but these people obviously think you are. Just play the game how you want to. Don't bother informing people of how you want to play because since it's the FGC, they'll berate you and you'll be labeled a casual until you can prove to them that you're not. *****, you may be good, but that doesn't mean you get to label people casuals. Master is good, yet he doesn't label people. Ahlie? Same with you *******. Except, you're being vile and bullying him. Don't be rude and vile cause it's gonna get you no where. Your rep doesn't go up so don't do it. Rep is really all that matters in the FGC anyway so what's the point in doing this? Just stop guys cause I'm tired of all this bullshit and drama that happens in this community every goddamn day >_> Like, bruh. Just stop.
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The reason why I bring this UP, is its because of people like the ones who were causing trouble, that keep me (and many others) from engaging more in the community. Its people like that, which are the primary reason I am hesitant to go to offline events. I don't want to deal with people harassing me face to face. Its why I've always been hesitant to ask for help, because I became so used to people disregarding what I'm asking, and just saying "stop doing that and do the maxjuggle instead".
What this community needs, is more people like the above, VOCALLY helping others, showing it, helping to repair the fgc's reputation that has been smeared by elitists and flamers. I'm not saying this community doesn't have helpful people, I'm saying they need to become more vocal and prominent. The community needs to become more welcoming and appealing to newcomers.
I continued talking with this person in private more, and they continued helping me with discussions, explanations, etc.
You may think that it doesn't matter, but it really does, because the FGC is, to many outsiders and newcomers, rather known for that "elitist" attitude, which scares a lot of people off, they walk right on by. The vocal minority of people who hate and harass, or are otherwise more confrontational than genuinely helpful, can do a lot of damage. And as I've been told by others involved with other FG communities, DOA has one of the worst. (I'm not really involved in other fgc so I can't comment on that).
I'm sure this won't go over well, but I figured it was at least worth a SHOT to try to address, and I felt it was worth others seeing that response.
((Apologies if I posted this in the wrong place))
